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Conservative definitions of family are social engineering : Comments

By Brian Greig, published 20/12/2004

Brian Greig argues that conservative definitions of "family" are a form of social engineering.

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SPECIAL for OFHUST. I sure hope for your sake that you are not in Victoria. Or, that this website is not having offices in Melbourne.

Reason. The Racial and Religious Tolerance Act of 2001 specifically condemns and outlaws such comments as Ofhusts. This was shown by the judgement of the Catch the Fire Ministries case, and I would WARN the likes of ofhust that these laws which were actually lobbied for by the Gay, Jewish and Islamic bodies works BOTH ways. We cannot (and should not) vilify or incite hatred against any class of persons. But the NEWSFLASH is.. it works for us also. If anyone even blinks hatred toward Christians in Victoria now, I for one will be after them hand in hand with the Equal Opportunity Commision. WE are the ones who have been victimized and wrongly stereotyped incessantly by movies, comedy shows and plays. But those days are over. Sure, it will take time and a lot of $6000 fines or 3 months Jail terms..but we will get there. And any "organization" which facilitates such hate crimes will be liable for a fine of $30,000. So.... how about we LOSE the 'Christaphobia' that is rampant in the gay media, and in secular journalism generally, and try to be more balanced. The simple fact is that evangelical Christianity will never accept homosexual behavior... not ever. We WILL however do our best to treat genuinely non politicized homosexuals with compassion, but always with a goal of reaching normality... yes.. I DID say that..'normality' in our opinion and faith.

Perhaps we would not be trying or need to define 'family' if it were not for the challenge from gay groups to 're-define' it in terms of their own behavour. I can imagine.. next we will have the Mormons demanding polygamy and the Muslims also, and of course now that CANADA has allowed Muslims to operate civil issues under SHARIA law, how long will it be before they ask for it in Australia also ?

Christian pastors have been JAILED as in Sweden for simply preaching a passionate sermon on passages such as Romans 1 and describing homosexual behavior in appropriate terms based on the text.

Who was being victimized again ? oh..thats right... (leave it to you)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 9 January 2005 7:40:02 PM
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RINGTAIL....lucky ur not a Brushtail or u would be roadkill :) kidding but ur ideas are rather .... er.. words almost fail me. Saying that Religious conservatives have the "If u dont agree with us, ur wrong" attitude ?????? wellllll.. when was the last time u heard a Gay or Left winger describe 'those who disagree with them, and who happen to be Christians as "Bible Bashing, Pulpit pounding, Schitzoids." ???? Well to be honest...I havent heard that exact description, but there are plenty out there just like it ! or close to it. What u said (like the RRT ACT) applies BOTH ways, so just get over the fact that there are actually very sane, balanced individuals out there who don't actually hold the same view as you !
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 9 January 2005 7:44:43 PM
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Here is VICTIMIZATION.....
2 Pastors run a seminar. IN THEIR OWN CHURCH !!!! Its about Islam. The Islamic Council if Victoria gets word of this, and they, along with the Equal Opportunity Commission, for whom one May Halou works (she was working for BOTH EOC and the ICV) collude to send some spies along to 'entrap' the Pastors using the new weapon of the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001. The Pastors teach about Islam by reading from the Quran and relating from their personal experience.

One of the spies asks one of the pastors "So, how should Christians treat Muslims ?" to which the pastor replies "LOVE THEM" (All this is documented in the court transcripts.) so..they go away and tell the ICV that the pastors are preaching HATE !!!!!!. The case is reported to the otherwise unemployed EOC, who finds its not possible to reconcile the 2 parties. (Would u admit to preaching 'hate' under THOSE circumstances ????) The matter is handed to VCAT and the judge decides 'guilty' of inciting hate. That... is victimiazion of Christians in my humble opinion.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 9 January 2005 9:24:25 PM
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DEBATE ISSUES ON LINE
last comment for today.... if any of you want to discuss controversial matters ON LINE.. please join chanel #christiandebate on Dal net, IRC there are quite a few interesting people, including atheists, Muslims, Jews, humanists, agnostics, and even Christians of various flavors.. RC and Protestant there are even some American Indians
That chanel is very ISSUES oriened and at times quite intellectual, there are all kinds of professions and jobs represented there
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 9 January 2005 9:29:05 PM
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Well, BOAZ, David I still believe that the only type of family which counts is one where the members love, respect and care for each other, regardless of race or gender. I don't understand your problem with that.
Posted by Ringtail, Monday, 10 January 2005 4:01:34 PM
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MORE ON FAMILY
Good on you Ringtail :) I appreciate the input. I dont mean to suggest that families which dont fit the 'traditional' mould of mum dad and kids are 'not family' but I would venture to reject any concept of gay marraige and gay family. This is purely a dogmatic stance, I happen to believe that there is 'something' to believe in, and for me and many others it is the values (and the scriptures themselves) found in our Judao Christian heritage. I think on the single mum issue, or single dad, I have all the compassion in the world, and see it as the Churches work to nourish and encourage such people who already have a difficult enough time of it. And yes. they are families. But for 'legal/social/cultural purposes, I would only reject gay marraige. I dont think there are any other possibilities except that in this whacko jacko age..who knows if some moron will try to re-define the legal concept in terms of 'me and me boa' or me poodle or something. The problem I raise for those who are prepared to embrace 'this or that' new trendy or current idea, is that it is based on moral relativism, and the only problem with that, is that u get 3 people and u will get 3 different ideas about 'right and wrong'. Usually the one most adamant about what 'right' is, is the dominant one who wants to control the available resources ! Why not join the chanel I mentioned.. there are some pretty cluey people there :) there is digwuren.. a systems analayst from Estonia, who is just brilliant with english, and though an atheist at this point, can hold a very good argument in a balanced logical way.

FEMINAZIS/COMMUNISM
I am absolutely seeeething with issues these days.. I want to address the gender/feminism debacle..and show how it was nothing more than socialism/communism by stealth, yet few would realize that. The left has a very definite agenda..and so does the 'right' ..fortunately I'm in the middle. (believe it or not) And if there is ONE thing, I absolutely reject, it is being moulded and shaped by wanna-be philosophers who suddenly think they have come up with 'why it is so'.

A study of existentialism and the pathway from "philosopher to market place" and more recently the same thing with Post modernism is a worthy and eye opening study.

Have a good one.
Boaz
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 10 January 2005 5:30:39 PM
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