Trumpster,

The words of the slave owning Benjamin Franklin; ""those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Seems old Ben didn't apply that to black people.

Are you also one of the nut jobs called a Sovereign Citizen.

"At the time I (sovereign citizen mhaze) found it shocking just how compliant the Australian people were when confronted with what turned out to be false fears." Yep, there was no Covid, in fact the "vaccine" was a mind controlling drug, put out there by The Illuminati. How are Thomas Sewell and Dezi Freeman doing, they both claim to be Sovereign Citizens.

In fact, over 28000 died of Covid (or with Covid) in Australia. More in Victoria than any other state despite, or more likely because of, it being the most locked down jurisdiction in the country, if not the world.

Of the 28000, 96% were elderly and those younger had comorbidities. Healthy adults under 60 were effectively immune. Yet they were the ones locked down and stopped from doing their jobs. Although, as you'd expect, public servants were protected from that and allowed to avoid the lockdowns.

Masks? now shown to be ineffective at best, dangerous at worst.

Stay at home? Being indoors has been shown to be significantly more dangerous than being outdoors.

Still its good to see the usual government sycophants haven't learned anything and will bow to new authoritarian instructions in the future.

"Yep, there was no Covid, in fact the "vaccine" was a mind controlling drug, put out there by The Illuminati."

I don't think any of that is true Paul. But you'd know more about that than me

Trumpster,

"Yep, there was no Covid, in fact the "vaccine" was a mind controlling drug, put out there by The Illuminati." That was ear bashed to me only a few months back by a nut job who said he was also a Sovereign Citizen, gave me his business card to boot, do you have a business card? That was before the likes of Thomas Sewell and Dezi Freeman were claiming the same thing. Trumpster, a simple question, do you also profess to being a Sovereign Citizen, your post seems to indicate that way. What you say?

Bad luck that Old Ben was also a slave owner. BTW your man The Donald has renamed the Pentagon The WAR Department, rather apt wouldn't you say, considering America starts most of the worlds wars.

mhaze,

28,000 Australians died, and you’re still trying to spin it as proof the response was worse than the virus.

Yes, most who died were elderly or had comorbidities. That’s how most viruses kill. But "only the vulnerable" is a chilling standard for deciding who gets protected. You don’t not build flood levees because "only people on low ground will drown."

And the idea that "healthy adults were immune" is flat-out wrong. Many did die. Many more were hospitalised. And tens of thousands now live with long COVID - chronic fatigue, brain fog, organ damage. Not everyone’s fine just because they didn’t end up in a morgue.

As for lockdowns "causing" deaths in Victoria: no serious analysis backs that up. Victoria had higher deaths despite lockdowns, not because of them. Delta hit harder here. Aged-care outbreaks spiralled before vaccines were widely available. Cherry-picking the death toll to attack public health measures is intellectually lazy, and morally grotesque.

//Masks were ineffective.//

False.

Randomised studies, including the Bangladesh and Danish trials, showed reduced transmission - especially when mask use is widespread. N95s are even more effective. "Dangerous" masks? Only if you get health advice from Facebook memes.

//Indoors is more dangerous than outdoors.//

True, and lockdowns didn’t tell people to crowd together indoors. They told people to stay apart. You know, to stop a virus that spreads through the air.

What’s revealing is how easily you downplay every protective measure - and how quickly you pivot to culture-war framing. "Sycophants." "Authoritarian instructions." "Public servants got off easy." It's not argument, it's just slogan soup.

This wasn’t perfect policy. It was triage. On the fly. In a crisis. And Australians overwhelmingly complied - not out of fear, but out of decency.

That’s the part you can’t seem to forgive.

This wasn’t perfect policy. It was triage. On the fly. In a crisis. And Australians overwhelmingly complied - not out of fear, but out of decency.
John Daysh,
I agree with that evaluation !

"You don’t not build flood levees because "only people on low ground will drown."

Actually you do.

"But "only the vulnerable" is a chilling standard for deciding who gets protected."

Good old JD...at it again. I didn't say "only the vulnerable" despite the now well-used fake quotes. If you look back through my posts over the years, and most of what the research now shows, the vulnerable needed to be protected. but not by locking up those not vulnerable. Let the rest get out into the community and develop a natural herd immunity, which would in turn protect those most at risk.

Victoria was the most locked down jurisdiction in Australia. It also had the highest death rate. You do the sums.

"//Masks were ineffective.// False."

Way behind the times, as usual. I don't want to get into all this again since it was well covered years ago and you're not really interested in learning something you'd prefer wasn't true. But I'd point you to the Cochrane Review which found "wearing surgical masks in the community probably makes little or no difference in preventing influenza-like or COVID-19-like illness (risk ratio: 0.95, 95% CI: 0.84–1.09)."

Or the DANMASK-19 Trial which found no significant difference in infections between a mask group and a control unmasked group.

Equally, other smaller studies suggested increased risk if the mask wasn't worn correctly as opposed to not at all, and reduced social development in children.

"and how quickly you pivot to culture-war framing. "

That wasn't a pivot. That was returning to what the article was about and away from your attempt to reframe it to something else.

"And Australians overwhelmingly complied - not out of fear, but out of decency."

No it was fear. And placing that fear above their liberty. And falling for the government's and health authority's fearmongering.

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"a simple question, do you also profess to being a Sovereign Citizen, your post seems to indicate that way"

No. But the difference between believing whatever the government tells you and thinking for yourself is probably too hard for you to fathom.