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What if Australia had rejected net zero? : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 28/5/2025

The countries still pursuing net zero represent less than 40% of global emissions. Even if they all reach their targets - and there is zero possibility of that - it is even more pointless.

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Too true…and refreshingly nothing resembling support for the tobacco industry in this article.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 9:21:17 AM
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With even woke New Zealand dumping ridiculous, economy-wrecking Net Zero, Australia continues to play the fool, with the Liberals still jabbering about nuclear energy for one reason only - unattainable Net Zero, the nonsense they, not the ALP idiots, signed up to. Why on earth the commentariat thought that Dutton was going to win the election by renouncing Net Zero, when it was his side of politics that forced it on Australia in the first place, is a mystery.

Neither section of the uniparty deserves to be in government; nor does the electorate deserve a decent government because they keep voting for them.

There is no point in ‘what iffing’. Australia is cactus.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 9:34:09 AM
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And Ttbn continues to blame the victim.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 9:47:06 AM
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Dan,

Sorry mate. You've lost me again. Just who is the "victim" I'm blaming?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 10:06:55 AM
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The coalition needs to start the energy debate and distance themselves from the wind and solar con, but unfortunately they are part of the problem. Believing in a wind and solar powered Australia is like believing in perpetual motion.
Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 1:02:13 PM
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The Ley-Littleproud remarriage still contains elements of nuclear and elements of net zero and will never win.
Posted by Steve S, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 6:01:27 PM
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As someone who clearly respects his readers’ time, David Leyonhjelm wastes none of ours by setting up immediately the strawman he's about to knock down - letting you know you needn't continue reading.

For those who didn't...

He reduces the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change to what “some people believe,” as if it’s just a rumour passed around at brunch. This lets him dodge any serious engagement with the evidence, framing climate action as some kind of lifestyle fad rather than a globally coordinated response to a planetary crisis.

From there, it’s a greatest-hits album of climate denial talking points.

He blames net-zero targets for high energy prices, despite the fact that wind and solar are now the cheapest sources of new power in Australia. He invokes the most well-worn denialist Whataboutism fallacy by pointing to China’s coal expansion, omitting that China is simultaneously installing record-breaking levels of renewables, with over 200 GW in 2023 alone.

He argues for removing subsidies while pretending fossil fuels aren’t still subsidised (both directly and indirectly) and fails to mention that market distortions like these are precisely why climate policy exists. His idealised “free market” can’t price what it refuses to count.

Snowy 2.0? A “white elephant,” apparently - even though it’s crucial for energy storage in a renewable-powered grid. EVs? Too expensive. Not because of a lack of domestic support, but apparently because reality just isn’t living up to libertarian expectations fast enough.

But the piece de resistance is his environmental concern for the visual blight of wind turbines, paired with zero mention of open-cut coal mines, ash dams, or global warming’s impact on biodiversity, agriculture, or extreme weather.

Leyonhjelm’s vision isn’t policy. It’s performance - a libertarian daydream where externalities don’t exist, markets are omniscient, and the laws of physics politely wait for ideology to catch up.
Posted by John Daysh, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 11:37:46 PM
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I clicked to make a comment then I realised it would just
not be worth the bother.
Posted by Bezza, Thursday, 29 May 2025 10:24:09 PM
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From a truly libertarian perspective, governments must not sign international agreements regarding which energy sources [if any] its citizens will use in future, simply because that is up to the citizens themselves and them alone.

Nor should government subsidise any energy source whatsoever, nor even care whether its citizens have power or not and whether or not it is reliable - that is plainly none of its business.

What concerns me is the author's suggestion of "no restrictions on exploration or extraction [of gas]": why should commercial companies be allowed to trespass and disturb people on their own land? Surely it is not right for government to hand power to big corporations against individual land owners - that is not very libertarian of him!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 29 May 2025 11:44:53 PM
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Yuyutsu,
Ideally yes however, when the majority of the Nation's voters don't have the ability to think beyond today, net Zero will mean that it'll be zero for all & everything full stop !
Imagine a net zero in the real world ? No air con, no travel, no work, no Tv, no phones, no cars, no anything ! Who do think would be the ones screaming loudest ? The intellectuals of course & their mindless followers !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 9:03:01 AM
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Dear Indyvidual,

«No air con, no travel, no work, no Tv, no phones, no cars, no anything !»

That does not scare me and it's not "no anything" - there were lots of things before these, other things, and people were at least as happy as they are today, if not more. With all that air-con, travel, work, tv, phones and cars, people nowadays rarely even find the time and energy to make love!

I don't really care about "net zero" or "no net zero", that should be for those interested in it to choose - what I care about is that we get our lives back from states and their governments and be free to choose our own lifestyles ourselves.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 9:58:51 AM
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Indyvidual,

That’s an impressively breathless leap - from “net zero” to “no cars, no phones, no air con, no anything.”

Net zero doesn’t mean “zero energy.” It means reducing net emissions - through cleaner energy, smarter infrastructure, and technologies that either avoid or offset carbon output. The world doesn’t grind to a halt, it just continues to change as it always has.

Also, the irony here is almost poetic: you lament that voters can’t “think beyond today,” while painting net zero as if it’s tomorrow’s apocalypse. If anything, net zero is the plan from people who can think beyond today - to avoid letting short-term complacency and tribalism create long-term disaster.

And as for “intellectuals and their mindless followers” being the ones who’d complain without modern conveniences... Keeping the lights on, and the air con running is one of the main goals of net zero. Sticking with the status quo indefinitely would eventually see our access power as limited and unreliable as North Korea's.

You don’t have to like the policies, but let’s at least argue against what net zero is, not what it never claimed to be.
Posted by John Daysh, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 12:30:39 PM
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John Daysh,
Net Zero would be fantastic were it not for the fact that it is impossible to achieve. Net Zero is like Democracy, every idealist thinks of it as a real solution regarding other people but not themselves.
As long as we need to dig up metals & minerals & replace them with pollution, Net Zero is a hugely costly mistake that makes those holding the shorter stick have miserable lives.
There is no but & "reducing" emission is not Net Zero & never will be.
The claim that critics of this hypocrisy can't look & plan ahead is itself a hypocrisy. Produce an energy plant with a Net Zero footprint & every Nation will buy it & use it. To squander billions of other peoples' Dollars for a pipe dream is nothing short of criminal & proponents should be made accountable instead of letting them write off their propaganda costs. All at everyone else's expense as has been the con for many decades. The con needs to stop, come up with a real solution !
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 7:02:26 AM
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Indyvidual,

Net zero isn't about eliminating all emissions - it's about balancing them by reducing what we can and offsetting the rest. That’s not a loophole - it’s literally what the term means. You can disagree with the approach, but pretending it means “zero emissions ever” is just misinformed.

You claim net zero is “impossible,” yet dozens of countries are already reducing emissions and growing their economies. In fact, Australia’s grid is over 40% renewable - not from idealism, but because it’s cheaper, faster to build, and more reliable than the ageing coal fleet that keeps falling over.

As for your “real solution” challenge: that’s what net zero is. It’s a plan. A roadmap. Not a silver bullet - a transition. You say it’s a pipe dream while demanding a magic zero-footprint power plant that doesn’t exist. That’s not realism, that’s fantasy.

If you think climate policies are a “con,” you’ll need to explain why insurance companies, defence departments, and energy corporations are all investing heavily in mitigation and adaptation - or do you think they’ve all fallen for the same “hoax”?

The truth is, fossil fuels are becoming less viable - not because of propaganda, but because they’re being outcompeted. Net zero isn't a burden. It’s how we avoid the real cost: clinging to a dying system until it fails everyone.
Posted by John Daysh, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 8:09:29 AM
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