Hi me ole'cock Dan,

Yes, those were the day my friend. Yep Joh For PM, in fact I think Joh would make a better PM today than he would have back then, he has the right credentials these days, having been dead for 20 years! I always thought if only we had snorted a few more of Flo's pumpkin scones the world would have been a better place, maybe not for us, but for future generations of scone snorters! In all the argy-bargy of todays politics no one mentions pumpkin scones, mores the pity!

let's try to stay on topic.
Yuyutsu,
The topic is self defence so, bringing up scenario that cause the need for self defence is actually not straying from the topic, it's right in the middle of it.

Dear Indyvidual,

«The topic is self defence so, bringing up scenario that cause the need for self defence is actually not straying from the topic, it's right in the middle of it.»

But you did not bring up any scenario, only a possible culprit for unspecified violence.

I only mentioned "lawyers" in passing:

{That "We have a right to self-defence" is a legal question and lawyers are best placed to answer it}

What I said, essentially, is that this (i.e. the legal side) is a lesser-important aspect of the topic, a trivial aspect that can therefore be left for the lawyers to determine, not something that really ought to interest us here.

To which you responded:

{Aren't they the cause of much of the violence because they're totally not suited to societal problems ?}

Does this mean that you wish to discuss the philosophical question of whether or not we ought to defend ourselves against lawyers, separate to the general question of whether or not we ought to defend ourselves in general?

Is there a substantial reason to deal with violence by lawyers any different to violence in general?

Yuyutsu,
Lawyers are totally divorced from Justice as is Law. More often than not lawyers & the Law actually create more problems than they solve simply because morale & Justice are only a tiny, occasional part of their repertoire !
Innocent people get charged & persecuted whilst the guilty are absolved of responsibility towards their victims & that directly equates to denial of self defence.

Dear Indyvidual,

«Innocent people get charged & persecuted whilst the guilty are absolved of responsibility towards their victims & that directly equates to denial of self defence.»

Then this example describes a situation where one has attempted to defend themselves, but failed.

This happens in nature too, a lot, the weak trying to defend themselves unsuccessfully while the strong wins what is not theirs - but the example does not address the present topic of whether one should even attempt at self-defence in the first place, on whether that is right or wrong.

Then this example describes a situation where one has attempted to defend themselves, but failed.
Yuyutsu,
You'd have to be a lawyer to come up with the translation above. Why else would you choose to ignore the many wrongs due to Law & Judiciary ?