Mikko2,

Note that I said “most of which.” The US healthcare system is largely available only to those who can afford it and Trump was slow to act. Also, you didn’t include the UK in your first link.

Speaking of the UK, though, the sharp and sustained rise in excess deaths there can be attributed to their delayed initial response, inconsistent lockdowns, and the rapid spread of covid before effective public health measures were fully implemented. The UK's high death toll was the result of an overwhelmed healthcare system during the peaks of the pandemic.

Sweden shows a much lower cumulative excess death rate than the UK, but this doesn’t necessarily mean Sweden's approach was better. Sweden experienced higher death rates early on compared to its Nordic neighbours who implemented stricter measures.

Sweden's excess deaths levelling out was due to a combination of factors, such as their overall healthier population, lower population density, and healthcare system capacity, which managed to avoid the kind of overwhelm that the hospitals in the UK experienced.

There's a lot more to the story than just raw figures. You're cherry-picking your data.

I've said several times that to view a country in the excess death charts, just click on the boxes on the right (and the UK and US were both ticked before I sent the link. If they didn't appear, I said to select them or any other country).

maze, notice how the "safe and effective" believers ignore actual first-hand reports in mainstream media? Here's another one from News.com (there are many more on various sites and Facebook posts):

"A young Queensland teacher who suffered a severe adverse reaction to her first Covid shot says her life has “essentially been ruined” after the state’s vaccine mandate left her unable to work unless she took her second dose.

"Bek Bickerton, 27, received her first Pfizer vaccine in October and immediately began experiencing side effects, including changes to her menstrual cycle and fatigue, which continued to worsen.

"By November she was hospitalised for a week with dizziness, blurred vision, tingling down her arms, extreme fatigue, low blood pressure and what was later diagnosed as postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS).

“My heart would accelerate to extreme levels when I stood up,” she said.

“A brain MRI showed multiple lesions and inflammation. I also had trouble regulating blood pressure and heat. I had a wide range of symptoms but the worst ones were severe brain fog and fatigue.”

She was sent home with a diagnosis of POTS and “spent the next two months in bed”, unable to look after her two young children..."

Mikko2,

According to your link, you didn’t tick the UK, but it doesn’t matter. I’m over that now. Bygones.

//maze, notice how the "safe and effective" believers ignore actual first-hand reports in mainstream media?//

I think mhaze is gone for now. He seems to take a few days break after a devastating arse-kicking. But, I’ll respond to this for you.

The cases you cite represent a tiny fraction of the millions of people vaccinated globally. While no medical treatment is without risks, the overwhelming majority of evidence shows that vaccines have prevented far more deaths, hospitalizations, and long-term health problems than they’ve caused.

Mentioning the safety and effectiveness of vaccines doesn't necessitate denying the rare adverse reactions, but placing a disproportionate amount of focus on them sure does amount to cherry-picking. The case of Bek Bickerton is tragic, but it would be foolish to extrapolate from a single incident while ignoring the bigger picture.

Yes, you’ve mentioned adjusting the chart to see different countries. But again, just looking at raw numbers without understanding the context behind them is problematic. The reasons for excess deaths vary drastically from country to country - some of which I mentioned in my last post. Sweden’s relatively lower excess deaths don’t necessarily indicate that their approach was better, especially when comparing them to countries like their Nordic neighbors, who had stricter measures and lower death rates overall.

Cherry-picking data or focusing on individual anecdotes doesn’t give the full picture. We have to look at the broader evidence and the cumulative effects of public health interventions.

And from GP Dr Julie Sladden in an article in The Spectator Australia:
"Regarding the reported deaths, the TGA states, in its final safety report on the Covid injections in November 2023, ‘The TGA has identified 14 reports where the cause of death was linked to vaccination from 1,004 reports received and reviewed (as of October 29, 2023). There have been no new vaccine-related deaths identified since 2022.’

Noted.

To date, there have been almost 140,000 adverse event reports entered to DAEN for the Covid injections, including 1,010 reported deaths.

At this point, you may be interested to know that the number of adverse events reported for the Covid injections amounts to around 20 per cent of all adverse events reported to the TGA – for all medicines combined – for the past 50 years..."

Yep, perfectly safe and effective... Get your boosters now, guys.

From the same article by GP Dr Julie Sladden, which shoots down any claims that the vaccines were subject to rigorous safety testing before the rushed roll-out:

"The EMA Assessment Report on Comirnaty (Pfizer) is a 140-page document dated the 19th of February 2021. Lo and behold, on page 55, it states: ‘No genotoxicity nor carcinogenicity (cancer-causing) studies have been provided.’ Then on page 115, I was very alarmed to see a whole table list called ‘Summary of Safety Concerns’.

The list Cousins found contained important identified risks – anaphylaxis, and important potential risks – this also included vaccine-associated enhanced disease, vaccine-enhanced respiratory disease, and a whole section called ‘missing information’. ‘Missing information’ included use in pregnancy, breastfeeding, immunocompromised patients, frail patients with co-morbidities, and patients with autoimmune or inflammatory disorders. The report also listed ‘long term safety data’ as ‘missing information’.

A similar list can be found on page 31 in the TGA’s Public Assessment Report dated January 2021 along with the decision, ‘Approved for provisional registration’...

https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/02/opendaen-making-sense-of-the-tgas-covid-adverse-event-reports/

Mikko,

"maze, notice how the "safe and effective" believers ignore actual first-hand reports in mainstream media? Here's another one from News.com (there are many more on various sites and Facebook posts):"

Yeah, there are definitely a coterie of people who just don't want to know and therefore ignore all the evidence that the vaccines were not even close to the level of safety that would normally be required to unleash them onto the populace. That is why is was so disgraceful that people were effectively forced to be injected even as the authorities ignored the dangers.

We know that the vaccine manufacturers sought and received indemnity from prosecution if their vaccines proved unsafe. They knew there might be problems. The authorities knew there might be problems. The public...not so much.

Why? Well government's had painted themselves into a lockdown corner and needed a way to walkback the lockdowns without admitting error. The vaccines provided that excuse. And they jumped at it. Pretty disgraceful really.