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Dutton’s nuclear thuggery : Comments

By Jim Green, published 24/6/2024

Former Liberal prime minister Malcolm Turnbull famously described Coalition leader Peter Dutton as a thug'. That description appears particularly apt in Dutton’s nuclear power plans.

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ALL politicians are thugs!

I personally have nothing for or against nuclear energy, but if this thing finally breaks down the commonwealth of Australia, then at least one good thing would come out of it.

And BTW, Anne Twomey is wrong in stating that states could not prevent the Commonwealth establishing a nuclear power plant: I just cannot conceive of Australian soldiers, many of them from the same state which they are ordered to attack, agreeing to fire on citizens and local police to get them out of the site, then fortifying and guarding the place for many years while the plant is being built against constant sabotage by the local state and citizens. Further, even if they succeed, the local state can simply cut off the power lines coming out from that plant. At the bottom line, nobody can force citizens to use electricity.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 24 June 2024 12:14:05 PM
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It is extraordinary how many people who obviously have not even
rudimentary knowledge of electricity make ridiculous statements !
Take this one;
"So Dutton will seize the land on which coal plants are located even
if the company planned to install renewables !"

The transmission lines run North & South mainly in NSW.
Just install the nuclear plant a couple of mile away up or down the line. Simple !

This doozy from Albo on radio;
The output of nuclear plants is fixed and it cannot be adjusted."
Of course it can, that is why they have moderators.

There are many comments on how batteries will solve all renewable's problems.
No one seems to think about just when you can get to recharge the
batteries. You can't just recharge off the grid after a long cold
still night when the sun comes up effectively at 9am the next day.
You need to get the batteries recharged by 3pm as the sun dies so as
to get the batteries charged by 4-30 as the next cold night comes on.
So you need about 12 hours of 4pm to 8am supply for the next night
which will have to come from elsewhere.
You have to install duplicate renewables just for recharging.
Wind speeds are quite low in Eastern Australia at present.

Wind turbines do not start to give output till a certain speed.
I do not know what is that speed.
Also over 25 knots or km/hr they shut down.

Somehow the public and politicians have got to be informed of these difficulties.
Life wasn't meant to be easy !
Posted by Bezza, Monday, 24 June 2024 3:30:35 PM
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I understand the range of acceptable wind speeds is 18 kph to 90 kph. With a lull or a storm they put the brakes on. They ice up below -27C not a problem for Australia. Too bad if there is heavy cloud cover at the same time as low wind, the dreaded dunkelflaute conditions that SE Australia has had recently.

Apart from using existing transmission, coal to nuclear C2N may require the cooling pond and some of the switchyard. Skilled workers nearby also helps. When Hazelwood was going barramundi fish lived in the cooling pond, alas now succumbed to cold.
Posted by Taswegian, Monday, 24 June 2024 3:55:42 PM
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One very important limitation not mentioned so far is the obvious shortage of reliable huge daily amounts of cold water to cool these proposed nuclear power plants at most/all of the proposed sites.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 24 June 2024 4:10:59 PM
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There was enough water for coal fired generation, so it should not be an issue. Barakah uses sea water for cooling.

But in light of your concern where will all the water come from for pumped hydro? Could you imagine the environmental destruction if there were a power crisis in future and salt water were used as an emergency measure?
Posted by Fester, Monday, 24 June 2024 5:04:51 PM
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Actual financial costs aside, renewables are too costly in an environmental sense. Or, do the pro renewable supporters think Cobalt for batteries & Aluminium & glass & copper can be grown in Hydroponics ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 24 June 2024 6:31:45 PM
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