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Dump Young on Trump : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 28/2/2024

Young is the executive director of the Australian Institute for Progress, but that name is misleading, he is a conservative.

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Go Peter! The prospect of Trump makes me glad I don’t have grandchildren. I fear for a world where Russia overruns Eastern Europe again and the US retreats to isolationist policies and climate denial. Where we are tied through Aukus to a loose cannon. Where Trump woos the dictators of the world and rubbishes the UN and NATO. World order is on a knife edge and we have to hope that more than half of US citizens realize it.
Posted by estelles, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 9:10:25 AM
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Sorry Graham but it's not the times that has dementia, but Poor old Donald Trump. And it would seem that he has lost the support of most of the republican party?

I predict that Mr Trump will never gain public office again but may go to jail for tax fraud.

And we know the election of a convicted felon is very distasteful for the majority of US voters.

In closing may I add that I don't believe Graham was serious, but stirring to get the very reaction engendered.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 28 February 2024 9:32:05 AM
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Well, I strongly disagree with Peter Bowen on Graham Young; which means I strongly disagree with Peter Bowden on Donald Trump.

Mr.Bowden declares that “the New York Times is one of the most reliable newspapers in the world”, but that is because it ‘reliably’ churns out stuff that he believes in. Anything not producing Leftist codswallop would be ‘unreliable’ to Mr. Bowden.

And, what is a “reliable opinion”? Not one Mr. Bowden would believe in, nor one that differed from what I or anyone else disagreed with. Opinions are just opinions, like the one he has written here.

10.6 million subscribers are sparrow-fart, given America's population. Just like the umpteen percent of Australians who it is said believe the ABC is the most trusted source ever, when the very low ABC audience belies the figure.

As for Mr. Bowden’s declaration that Donald Trump is a “disaster”, it is gross misinformation, given Trump's previous stint as President, and the way in which Americans view him, despite the appalling politicisation of the law to keep him out of office.

Of course, Mr. Bowden’s reasons for deeming Mr. Trump a disaster are based on his own bias, and that of people and organisations with the same bias and opinions; just like it is with lots of people on Online Opinion.

It's hard to understand how a man of Mr. Bowden’s obvious age (see photo that has never been updated), experience and qualifications can get things so wrong.

Graham has, as always, demonstrated his integrity and open- mindedness by publishing this loopy criticism of himself.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 9:37:22 AM
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Well said ttbn. Excellent post!

Both New York Times and CNN are both gasping their last breaths. Both these as entities are sinking ships because they report made up nonsense to support a diminishing marxist narrative and at the same time, a large proportion of the US public has woken up to not believing woke lies. I can assume Mr Bowden enjoys reading woke lies.

I would like to point out (check history) that under President Trump (45), the very opposite of being a warmonger, he created the most peaceful world order seen for decades. Started no wars. Ended many.

No need to go on, ttbn pretty much covered it all and very well too.
Posted by voxUnius, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 10:24:36 AM
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The Woke Left is jittering with fear that their gravy train is slowing down or even come to a stop.
Bowden is oblivious to the fact that Trump supporters are not Trump Lovers, they're simply tired of the socially destructive antics of the parasitic Left.
The Left is the King Louis XVI of our times.
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 11:12:26 AM
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First Graham, well done in publishing this critique. Its rare these days to dind a blog or opinion page that will give a voice to its opponents. There should be more of it but it'll only really happen on a conservative site.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 29 February 2024 2:11:37 PM
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Re New York Times.

Bowden seems to think that just mentioning subscriber numbers is decisive. Why isn't explained or even canvassed. NYT is a shadow of its former self.
Two examples: RussiaGate. The NYT was at the forefront of pushing the Steele Dossier and ancillary RussiaGate stories. It even won Pulitzers for its coverage. Yet the whole thing was a hoax, fabrication, made up out of whole clothe. Even the NYT has sorta, kinda owned up to that. OTOH the fact that it refuses to return the Pulitzers shows that it retains some of its former attributes given that it has also refused to return the Duranty pulitzer (http://holodomormuseum.org.ua/en/news/denial-of-the-holodomor-genocide-by-pulitzer-prize-winners-walter-duranty-and-anne-applebaum/)

Hospital bombing in Gaza. The NYT was among the first to assert that the hospital was destroyed by Israel. It was among the last to admit that wasn't true and still refuses to fully report that it was done by a failed Hamas rocket.

Re CNN: while Bowden races to tell us about the NYT subscribership, not a word is mentioned about CNN's dismal numbers. CNN is out-polled by Fox 3 to 1 which by Bowden's criteria means Fox is much more reliable than CNN.

There's so much wrong with the Bowden article a mere 350 words won't touch the sides. Basically he quotes from or refers to every anti-Trump organisation in the US and assumes that their claims are 100% valid.

eg "Second. Trump is a war monger."

Trump is one of the few presidents in the last century who DIDN'T start even one war. He ended a few and sought to extract the US from others but never started one. Yet the TDS crowd can't see the illogicality of their warmonger claims. Its beyond belief.

But ultimately the problem for Bowden is his inability to see past his own prejudices. He thinks he's progressive and the only way to be progressive is his way. He doesn't understand that others including Trump and Young seek change but not the change the people who preen themselves as left leaning progressives want
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 29 February 2024 2:11:41 PM
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In regards to Peter Bowden's objection to conservatives using the word "progress" here is some history on it's use...

Progress Associations-
Some associations initiated the building of progress halls and community centres to create community focal points for meetings and activities, and generally to enhance civic pride.

https://www.emelbourne.net.au/biogs/EM01198b.htm

Harvard Business Review- The Power Of Progress

https://hbr.org/2011/08/the-power-of-progress

Sometimes the word "development" is used instead of the word "progress"- as in Development Association. It seems to refer to commerce and economic progress that promotes community involvement. Progressive on the other hand seems to relate more to socialism (or social democracy).
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 29 February 2024 9:22:53 PM
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