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Public-service mega-migration spin is winning the war on voters : Comments

By Stephen Saunders, published 29/11/2023

Worried about misinformation? Worry about federal departments and agencies – hyping UN 'net zero' emissions – yet institutionalising mega migration.

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“Nominally, the educated and moneyed cheer-squads for Big (now Huge) Australia are arm's length from the federal government.”

Actually, they are chock-a-block up the federal government; they work together. The Bigs are gradually accumulating more power than governments.

It's ‘them’ against us - the serfs - and we still keep voting for one or other of the duopoly; 13% vote Green, the terrible mob that Labor will be relying on more and more as Albanese continues to make a mess of everything he touches, when he is within touching distance at home, that is.

How much worse can things get in Australia? Much, much worse, because the electorate is too apathetic to do anything about it.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 7:48:21 AM
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It's all spin and plain old fashioned BS. We don't need these new numbers, we just need to modernise our economy.

Starting with nuclear energy and a manufacturing return on steroids. And ensuring its complete success with genuine tax reform of branch and root.

As a 15% flat tax every boy and his dog pays above a generous tax-free threshold!

As opposed to a government myopically focused solely on retaining power for as long as possible!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 29 November 2023 7:59:58 AM
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There are some glaring contradictions in current policy e.g. growing food vs growing population. We are restricting the amount of water that can be drawn from rivers and expanding urban sprawl into prime farm land. Assuming new arrivals won't refrain from the likely novelty of aircon we will need a lot more energy. That used to be cheap and reliable now it will be intermittent, unsightly and unreliable. More people more powerlines. More desal in dry times that also has to be paid for.

Big Australia the Renewable Energy Superpower is the politician's dream. Yet things are getting harder for battlers with declining per capita GDP. Treasury mandarins presumably live in leafy inner suburbs and don't have have a 60km commute that takes the quality time out of the day. I hope that the elites got a shock from the Voice referendum now it's time to rearrange their world view. Start by not voting either Liberal or Labor.
Posted by Taswegian, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 9:51:01 AM
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A paragraph in the Wikipedia article on post war immigration to Australia shows that what is happening now is unprecedented. From 1945 to 1985 there were a bit over 4m immigrants or 100,000 a year. That includes Ten Pound Poms many of whom did very well. There were more post war refugees than convicts transported after the First Fleet. For just 2023 the figure is expected to be 500,000. Those who don't bring money with them will probably do it tough.

This tsunami of migrants appears to be so that absolute or total GDP looks better. Too bad if there is not enough infrastructure or services for both them and those already here. Albo must think he is the captain of a big ship.
Posted by Taswegian, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 10:43:02 AM
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There’s a video in which a reporter asks the protesters of a pro refugee rally if they would take in a refugee. You guessed right, every single one had an excuse like “I can’t because my flat is too small” or “No, I can’t because I have my in-laws living with me “. Not a single pro-refugee protester was willing to have a refugee move in with them. Sounds eerily familiar to the woke mentality !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 30 November 2023 6:39:14 AM
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Bringing in half a million migrants when we can't house those already here is madness writ large!

Our hospitals cannot cope with current numbers let alone add half a million more souls requiring "free Health care".

How many will speak and understand English and how many will place new burdens on our social security system.

And add family reunion and all those numbers, loads, demand etc, become largely irrelevant.

You have to live in a Canberra bubble and be quarantined from your decisions not to see or understand the harm you do to the so-called national interest and every day, average Aussies!

Par for the course, labor blah, blah, Blah and BS, solves nothing as we hurtle toward an economic waterfall!

There are solutions, none of which are politically palatable to the Madhatters in Canberra.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 30 November 2023 6:56:06 AM
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What Indy says.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 30 November 2023 6:58:08 AM
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Where are the jobs to take on all these newcomers ? Definitely not in revenue producing manufacturing !
Or is it a case of Labor expecting to be ousted & deliberately lump a Coalition Govt with extreme economic challenges just out of spite ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 3 December 2023 9:01:58 AM
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A word salad and whine masquerading as demographic analysis, while the writer is linked to Sustainable Population Australia (in turn links to 'Tanton Network', hosted by SPA, in US NGOs inform Bannon, Trump, Miller et al. & Farage et al in UK, & in US shares donors with fossil fuel Atlas or Koch Network).

https://population.org.au/stephen-saunders/

Since 2006 our population has been susceptible to spikes, then estimated population too, since the NOM net overseas migration is presented as permanent migration, but it's not.

Permanent is capped 190K p.a. but the NOM residency test 12/16+ months captures border movements especially international students (after Covid nadir); mostly data noise at present, but will subside.

Fastest population growth cohort? Over 70 year olds, not unrelated to 5.4 million boomer bubble, in the permanent cohort vs. generations of below replacement fertility, fewer youth and since 2009 working age has passed the demographic sweet spot, hence, increasing old age dependency ratios.

Retirees are directly and indirectly dependent upon budgets supported by working age PAYE, GST etc. taxpayers, and the NOM 'churn over' are net financial contributors because majority do not and cannot remain in the country (alternative? Decline in services &/or rise in taxes).

The OECD data trends, avoided locally for political reasons, are stark, see increasing old age dependency ratios https://data.oecd.org/chart/7hkZ

Interestingly, the influence of white Australia admirer and visitor, deceased white nationalist John 'passive eugenics' Tanton,'the architect of the modern anti-immigration movement' is seen in bipartisan migration policies, language and media headlines on refugees, immigration and population growth.

Heads up, especially anyone who thinks they are a committed pro-life Christian, especially Catholic, John 'passive eugenics' Tanton was pro-abortion, euthanasia, sterilisation, immigration restrictions etc. and bigoted, Islamophobic, anti-semitic and anti-Catholic.

Good potted history here from the US by Binkowksi '22:

'Eugenics, Border Wars & Population Control: The Tanton Network'

https://unicornriot.ninja/2022/eugenics-border-wars-population-control-the-tanton-network/
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 4 December 2023 8:56:57 PM
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