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The Voice? I'm over it! : Comments

By John Mikkelsen, published 9/10/2023

The Voice is a move to enshrine an unelected advisory body in the Australian Constitution which will further divide our great nation on racial grounds.

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As far as I am aware neither the "Yes" nor "No" sides have laid out how it will all be done and how it all will be paid for. In any bargain both sides compromise. What will each side do here in this regard. A simple "I`ll do this and I`ll do that" is not enough. As Taswegian implies will there be more no go areas for us "non indigenes"?
As far as I know all people can go into Cathedrals, Mosques, Temples and Synagogues providing due respect is made and dress codes adhered to. Why cannot non indigenes go into areas of indigenous significance if respect is shown?
Posted by ateday, Monday, 9 October 2023 1:30:29 PM
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Aries54 Apparently you didn't read what Beth Price wrote in its entirety. You need to take a trip to the NT and see what things are really like. Don't just take the word of all the pretend coloured people. Listen to what Beth's daughter Jacinta has to say.

David.
Posted by VK3AUU, Monday, 9 October 2023 2:09:07 PM
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https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2013/05/the-long-bloody-history-of-aboriginal-violence/

This might might throw some more truth into the argument.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Monday, 9 October 2023 2:14:39 PM
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There is still some amusement to be had from the so-called 'debate'. Both sides accusing the other of lies and misinformation. The ideologues are too far gone to see it.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 9 October 2023 2:15:53 PM
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The same old arguments from the NO campaigners.

Are they really "over it?" Once again bringing
up questions - of race, special rights, division.
even - apartheid.

I can't believe all this belly aching and carrying
on. When what we're being asked to approve is so
modest.

The proposal that Australians are being asked
to approve would insert lines into the Constitution
recognizing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples
as the First Peoples of Australia.

The Voice does NOT propose any racial segregation policies,
merely an advisory body that makes non-binding representation
to parliament, and which may recommend changes to improve laws
and policies that have an impact on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

This does not mean Australia will be divided by race or that
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people will have any
special rights.

All we're doing is recognizing Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander people because they were the first people here, NOT
on the grounds of race.

Why do it? we're asked, when they have the NIAA. Well the NIAA
is a government agency. It is not equivalent to the proposed
Voice to Parliament. The element of Constitutional recognition
is a key difference.

The Voice is also not designed to lead to any policies
favouring Indigenous people such as land tax, property rights,
and so on. This Constitutional change that is being proposed
would not convert private land to native title and as an
advisory body the Voice would have no formal power to force
policy changes or control Australia's land and resources.

But enough said. I too am starting to "get over it" -
sick of feeling the obligation to continually separate
the myths from the facts.
I'm sick of being attacked and insulted.

it would be much easier not to speak out. My support for the
YES campaign has brought me a great deal of nastiness, but I
can only speak the facts. If I see wrongs and falsehoods I
I feel I must do my best to right them. Especially on this
important moment in our country's history.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 9 October 2023 3:19:56 PM
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Dear Taswegian,

Let's test out your trumpeting.

Mt Conner is on the road to Uluru. It is spectacular made even more so by indigenous paintings and amazing vistas.

But it is on the privately owned Curtin Station and visitation is highly restricted.

http://www.google.com/maps/place/Mount+Conner/@-25.4975416,131.89104 Click on the satellite view to get an idea of its size, a fair bit bigger than Uluru.

Now Uluru was originally within a declared Indigenous reserve until the late 50 when it was decided it would make a decent tourist attraction. It was returned to Indigenous ownership but with a 99 year lease allowing access.

The fact that that people bleat about the framework around Uluru but never call for access to an amazing spot like Mt Connor because it is in the ownership of a single white family speaks volumes.

The Voice has nothing to do with any of this so why raise it?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 9 October 2023 3:23:08 PM
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