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The lessons of history : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 26/9/2023

But that same history tells of the greatness of the human race. We have ended serfdom and slavery, abolished the divine right of kings, and introduced parliamentary democracy.

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Dear Paul,

Well of course, serfdom and slavery were never abolished, they just have new names, nor the "divine right of kings" who now simply use different titles. As for "parliamentary democracy", we all know that to be a farce that does not serve or represent ordinary people.

«Mankind has achieved great things in science and technology, but unfortunately still lives in the stone age when it comes to inter-human relationships.»

These "great things" are but a stop-gap to sustain and mitigate the enormous growth in human population, and as such only support the primitive urge to procreate and increase one's family. They don't bring us happiness, only addictions. You can also observe how much of that technology is being deployed in the "science of war" and in regime surveillance of ordinary people.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 6:30:43 AM
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The real problem is the lack of truth.
People have constructed a 'framework' to their liking, and are busily tying to 'shoe-horn' their lives to fit it.
Or if you like, they are frantically panel beating life to make it fit.
Which can be exhausting work?
And all so unnecessary.
I also have a 'framework'.
It is called truth.
My lattice of truth does very well.
Life fits easily in to it.
Almost as if it were made for it in fact.
I am not bothered by ill-fitting emotions.
Logic abounds.
Very comfortable.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 3:36:12 PM
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"We have ended serfdom and slavery, abolished the divine right of kings, and introduced parliamentary democracy."

All we've done is changed the names, the game is still the same.

There's an old adage, when you invest in someone else's back yard, yours is bound to suffer.
We have a land that was stolen, it's mineral wealth supporting the nation for the time being, with the end result being a big hole ready to take the worlds' garbage.
Which is growing at an unprecedented rate I might add.
So you may well ask, how clever are we?
We are going to give the planet it's first planetary dump.

Exaggeration you say, probably but you get the message.

When the world calls us 'down under', they mean we're down and going under

But hey, you're right, we've come a long way....in perfecting stupidity.
They can't take that away from us
Posted by Special Delivery, Thursday, 28 September 2023 6:24:46 AM
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Let us get a few things straight.
I have never stolen any land from anyone.
And I would almost guarantee that you have not done so either.
I was born here.
So along with everyone else, I am part controller of this land.
For anyone to say we stole it is absurd.
Anything which happened long ago is part of history now, and should not affect the present day.
Do you want to go back and change the outcome of WWII because you think it unfair the other side lost?
Even more absurd.
And ancestry...
Suppose I could show that in the year 1300 I had an ancestor who was swedish.
Do I go around now claiming to be swedish?
With just a tiny smidge of that bloodline?
Once again, absurd.
But if we have a substantial connection to different ancestral lines, we should acknowledge all of them?
In that case, we should not just disregard or ignore one or more lines for convenience.
Which appears to be what is done by some right now.
Mainly because it is financially of benefit for them to do so?
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Thursday, 28 September 2023 8:00:18 PM
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"So along with everyone else, I am part controller of this land."

Fatso, you're part controller of nothing, most of all your inability to comprehend what is being said.
Where did I say you stole anything, or is it your intention to change the narrative so as to suit your non contextual rhetoric.
Don't respond to my posts if all you have is babble 'cos I'm not impressed in your display of limited comprehension.
Posted by Special Delivery, Friday, 29 September 2023 1:42:49 AM
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IP,

You put forward the stock line for justification for today's treatment of Aboriginal people, simply put its one of denial leading to inaction. You and I and everyone else occupying Australia, personal are not responsible for the injustices of the past, but collectively we have an obligation to do our level best to correct the situation to the best of our ability. Its not a great ask, and I am confident that as a nation things will be set right. It starts with truth telling, which leads to reconciliation, and ultimate to positive corrective action for the good of all. What part of that last sentence are you uncomfortable with?
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 29 September 2023 6:13:29 AM
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