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Population growth: context in a few critical graphs : Comments

By Ross Elliott, published 9/8/2023

The percentage increases predicted for Australian cities are several times that of these advanced western cities.

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The truth's there, in the first two graphs. Albanese lied to voters before the election. He has embarked on the most extreme immigration program of all time. He and senior Ministers continue to lie repetitively, insulting voters at every opportunity that it's just a COVID "catch up", or "lower than" Morrison, or "not something" they control.

Poll after poll, even that of biased ABC Q+A, says that voters simply don't want this. In which case, the bland "bothsiderism" of this article is profoundly misplaced and dangerously misleading. The last thing we need, is one more property insider defending Albanese's indefensible.
Posted by Steve S, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 8:22:14 AM
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High immigration is welcomed by "many governments"?

High immigration is CAUSED by governments! In particular, the only government we have to worry about, the extreme Left Albanese government.

Mind you, the Coalition is into big government too, despite the Shadow Minister, Dan Tehan, lying that they would change things if they ever get back into government.

And, it is all happening because stupid Australians keep voting Labor, Coalition and Greens when there are openly anti-mass immigration politicians they could vote for.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 8:50:02 AM
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Sheer stupidity. We are breeding ourselves out of existence and, sadly, taking all other animal species with us.
TOO MANY HOMO SAPIENS.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 9:38:59 AM
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I noticed a non English speaking couple each holding a newborn. Perhaps they thought Australia was the Promised Land where growing a family was the first order of business after migrating. There are some pushback factors looming. AI is supposed to reduce demand for clerical workers while farm mechanisation is supposed to reduce the need for farm workers. Agriculture is a two edged sword. Urban sprawl is removing good soil and rainfall areas from production and water demand will suck the rivers dry in El Nino years.

Per capita GDP is expected to decline; that is those already here will have a reduced share of national wealth. Electricity and water prices appear set to increase by double digits every year. People can barely afford housing. We are cramming more people into the lifeboat until it sinks to the waterline. Alternatively we could be like Switzerland which is wealthy and uncrowded.
Posted by Taswegian, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 10:01:03 AM
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Mad hatter's tea party, population growth based, economic growth. And as dumb as! We simply don't have the water resources for the population we have now, nor affordable housing.

Creating artificial demand through extremely stupid migration policy just forces the cost of everything up! But especially housing!

Time the jerk water, drop kicks, inventing this madness, were sent packing into the political wilderness, never to return.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 9 August 2023 11:24:29 AM
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I blame Morrison.

If he had not won we would never have had this mad hatter Albo in the lodge, & things would never have got quite so bad.

Time to get out of South East Qld. I hear the weather is nice in Home Hill these days. It may be a long way to a real hospital, but at least the roads won't be clogged with electric vehicles with flat batteries.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 1:16:36 PM
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Well this is capitalism at work.

A very basic analysis of capitalism is that it can only work effectively if there is inflation.

Buy/invest in an appreciating asset and pay it back later with cheaper money.

Of course the more you have to start with the better it is.

For some reason most economists suggest that 3% inflation is just about right.

This can be achieved either through degrading the currency or population increase.

In Australia the major political parties use the populate or perish method.

Australians are prepared to vote against their best interests on many issues including increased royalties from mining.

We could have a sovereign wealth fund similar to Norway but we opted out because vested interests told us that was socialism - socialism bad.
Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 4:57:44 PM
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Confusing using 'headline data' with neither context nor definitions provided e.g. 'immigration' has become distorted and inflated by nativist influencers for media headlines, but masks a more complicated field.

Nowadays it's less to do with traditional (capped) permanent migration, but reflects increased mobility and temporary residents due to international education, backpackers, temp workers, long term residents etc.; caught under the NOM net overseas migration 12/16+ months residency test, expanded in 2006, spiked NOM then population.

The SEQ graphics also explain an unstated fact, our permanent population is ageing as the baby boomer bomb/bubble transitions to retirement to live longer and more healthily, good news?

However, the same 20 year cohorts, and oldies, rely upon budgets to fund health care, services and retirement income (pensions & super rebates) vs. decline in working age that passed 'demographic sweet spot' 2009.

These 'immigrants' are mostly temporary residents, who like elsewhere, are deemed to be 'net financial (budget) contributors', without having vehicles, sharing accommodation and not staying permanently, supporting more retirees in the permanent population, what's wrong with that?

Graphically represented in old age dependency i.e. retirees vs. working age, by the OECD here https://data.oecd.org/chart/79U9

OECD (2023), Old-age dependency ratio (indicator). doi: 10.1787/e0255c98-en (Accessed on 14 August 2023)
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 14 August 2023 6:03:40 PM
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Thanks Ross Elliott for the important article. Kudos.

Thanks for some intelligent comments. Kudos.

Government policy in this area seems to be a result of racist Anglophobia. Every culture deserves their own nation. The people of the Anglo-sphere are rapidly becoming a stateless people.

Many peoples on the planet seem to resent the success of the Anglo/ Euro spheres. The hate of Anglo/ Euro spheres seems to derive from colonialism but colonialism ended more than fifty years ago in many cases. The end of colonialism seems to have resulted in more poverty and conflict because now ex-colonial nations appear to have huge migration to the Anglo/ Euro sphere- despite the ejection of Anglo/ Europeans.

It would be good if we could create a world where people would have more of a choice to return to their ancestral home- rather than taking someone elses home. Anglo people could help to create this world- probably this is more of an issue of leadership than an issue of money- at least initially
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 17 August 2023 11:54:02 AM
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But the main problem is the issue of "Population Colonialism/ Invasion". As with armies when populations line up on the border to cross into another it is an act of war. Especially with governmental criminal complicity.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 17 August 2023 11:59:32 AM
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Andras Smith said-

"Confusing using 'headline data' with neither context nor definitions provided e.g. 'immigration' has become distorted and inflated by nativist influencers for media headlines, but masks a more complicated field."

Answer- Yes "nativist" seems to be a "devil" pejorative used to "Satan-ize" people that believe that our grandparents had the right idea. Communists often use such terms to shame people from their own legitimate self interest. They also like to "Satan-ize" people by other effemeral terms such as Nazi or Fascist that few understand the meaning of. While succinct language is sometimes used to clarify or simplify a message it's also sometimes used to confuse issues.

I generally invalidate people that use terms such as "nativist", "Nazi", or "Fascist" because of the way that these terms are used.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 17 August 2023 12:10:30 PM
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Canem Malum: No, it's not a (lazy) pejorative, but a fact that Australia's (US & UK) nativist migration policy and attitudes are influenced by an admirer of the white Australia policy, who visited, hosted by the and linked to Sustainable Population Australia, deceased US 'environmentalist' John 'passive eugenics' Tanton.

Described by SPLC as 'the racist founder of the modern anti-immigration movement', and was with fossil fueled (Rockefeller Bros/Exxon) & auto (VW/Fiat) supported ZPG Zero Population Growth with Paul 'Population Bomb' Ehrlich; greenwashing and deflecting from fossil fuels.

Described in depth here of late by US KPBS journalist Binkowski, in 'Eugenics, Border Wars & Population Control: The Tanton Network' while funding shows that Tanton Network shares donors with Koch Network

https://unicornriot.ninja/2022/eugenics-border-wars-population-control-the-tanton-network/
Posted by Andras Smith, Thursday, 17 August 2023 5:16:09 PM
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Andras Smith's "guilt by association" "sending down" tactics seem to be typical of the strategy that communists use- Mao killed tens of millions on this basis- rather than addressing the issue.

Yes Traditionalists have been naive in their belief that the truth suffices to bring about change- when the communists use organisations such as SPLC and the ADL (which is also a well known Israeli Hebrew lobby group) to conduct lawfare against them. Classic combined arms tactics in the political domain. Founder of the SPLC- Morris Dees was apparently complicit in similar activities to President Clinton turning the SPLC into a whorehouse/ ... in the name of equality. It seems that the new leader of the SPLC may have a history with possible communist front groups such as Democracy Now!, Pacifica Foundation, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Huang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifica_Foundation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Null
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Goodman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_of_America

It's possible that even organisations such as Amnesty International has Communist links.

Many Traditionalists believe/ believed in the White Australia Policy in part or in whole- the issue was never voted on as I understand- but the government pushed it through. Bob Hawke in his 1984 Memoir as I remember said that there is bi-partisan agreement that immigration is never discussed by the major parties. So much for claims of democracy in Australia.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 18 August 2023 3:07:07 PM
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It seems that many Hebrew journalists / groups are involved in organisations that are Anglo-phobic- despite that Anglo nations were the main ones that fought against Germany in the 30's. I'm not certain that KPBS journalist Binkowski is Hebrew but many people with similar names are. Hebrew's anecdotally a fairly recent addition to US culture seems to be dominating it- if this is true it doesn't seem to be a democratic trend- or a government of the people by the people for the people. I'm not sure what the underlying hate Hebrew's have for the Anglo culture- if it's as Nietzsche said in Genealogy Of Moral's "a matter of envy"- or if it relates back to the Roman Empire and the destruction of Jerusalem in 69AD. There is also the question of which side of politics Hebrews favour as a community or if they are running proxy wars against both sides to take the scraps. Apparently some CIA documents claim that the Soviet Union was heavily influenced by the Hebrew diaspora- though I'm sure that every powerful group tries to influence geo-politics. Martin Luther during the reformation seems to have made similar claims against the Hebrew diaspora despite his initial support.

Good on the Hebrew diaspora for acting in their interest- but they must respect our right to act in our interest. No one- especially Christian nation's- is going to support policies that destroy their own culture and civilization and commit suicide- and nether should Anglo people despite the Anglophobic claims. Every culture deserves their own nation.

It seems as if the US is still fighting the US Civil War 150 years later- because they didn't solve the underlying cause the first time.

A nation is made of people and borders- our people need to protect it's borders better- others do.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 18 August 2023 3:13:24 PM
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Both Communists and Hebrew's seem to have their own ideological and racial bigotry- but they claim to be pure and morally superior in this regard.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 18 August 2023 3:18:19 PM
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You do know that Wiki is not a credible source nor did you attempt any direct rebuttal anything I cited, except shooting metaphorical messengers vs. the US GOP's interests...

'It seems that many Hebrew journalists / groups are involved in organisations that are Anglo-phobic'

Here's a test, walk into your local RSL Branch, repeat the same loudly, then add Gen. Sir John Monash's name, let us know when you are out of A&E..... could've been Keith Murdoch speaking?
Posted by Andras Smith, Friday, 18 August 2023 6:48:57 PM
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Maybe Andras Smith is from the Hebrew diaspora given an over sensitivity that even David F doesn't seem to hold. As I said I have no objection to Hebrews pushing their own interest- but they should allow Anglo people to do what they believe is in their own self interest. To not allow Anglo's to rule themselves is the same as not allowing Hebrew's to rule themselves.

I remember something about the PM going to see Gen Sir John Monash to relieve him in favour of a leader more representative of the British Australian diaspora- decided against it because he saw how well his organisation was managed. That doesn't mean that a government shouldn't be of a people by a people for a people. Or of a culture by a culture for a culture. The right to self determination is recognised as a right of peoples- except maybe by those that favour a more revisionist totalitarian view.

Keith and Elisabeth Murdoch were interesting as is the history of the Australian media landscape- it seems that Kerry Packer's long time employee Ita Buttrose identifies with her Hebrew Great Aunt being named after her. I wouldn't agree that everything that Keith Murdoch said was correct. Perhaps Keith Murdoch came from Presbyterian Jacobite stock. The Jacobite situation was also an ironic one and being framed by the English Civil War of the 1660's. You see a similar Irish Jacobitism running through their culture- including some prominent Australian communists. But in Britain the different cultures recently keep to themselves- allowing them to substantially rule themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism

It's interesting that Andras Smith despite his appeal to Rupert Murdoch's father would probably not be equally consistent in his appeals in favour of the views of the son of Keith Murdoch.

As others have said Communists don't love the poor they hate the rich. Growth of the middle class occurred due to mass industrialism- you could argue that the capital industrialists were the winners of the US Civil War over the "Agricultural South". But today Communist types likely argue that the capitalist industrialists are the evil ones.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 18 August 2023 9:24:15 PM
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You use a lot of words trying to explain your antipathy towards Israelites or those of the Judaic faith, a bit like Murdoch Snr.?

'PM going to see Gen Sir John Monash to relieve him in favour of a leader more representative of the British Australian diaspora- decided against it because he saw how well his organisation was managed. That doesn't mean that a government shouldn't be of a people by a people for a people'

How about... those LNP types visiting Koch linked think tanks in Hungary, supported by PM 'Mini Putin' Orban where the Soros conspiracy and anti-semitism are used to attack the 'west', youth & esp. EU, with Rockefeller Foundation grifters eg. Sachs, like Koch's Mearsheimer, demanding peace by Ukraine but nothing for Russia to do?

Meanwhile in Hungary, Murdoch's Fox News & CPAC (ACU) promote ideology of white nationalist John 'passive eugenics' Tanton's anti-semitic anti-immigrant, Islamophobic etc. ideology, while his own people e.g. Sheridan, are paid to participate in Hungary (via MCC NGO see AFR); the Koch linked think tank was called out by conservative 'normie' Anne Applebaum and rumours or allegations of Russian influence (3 April '2022, Twitter).

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/why-australia-s-conservatives-are-finding-friends-in-hungary-20190924-p52uim.html
Posted by Andras Smith, Friday, 18 August 2023 11:58:21 PM
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