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What if Albanese doesn’t care if the Voice succeeds? : Comments

By Graham Young, published 2/6/2023

It certainly seems to be the Democrat model in America where President Joe Biden talks about the Republicans as domestic terrorists.

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It is obvious from comments here that many have no idea of how the well funded Aboriginal industry works. Some of the garbage being pumped out for the yes vote is nothing but straight out lies or to put it mildly untruths. Should yes get up there will be a small minority get very rich, a few get wealthy and the poor old black fellow will still sit under a gum tree not knowing what is going on. Meanwhile it will cost the country billions more. No is the only way to go.
Posted by GBC, Monday, 5 June 2023 9:09:38 AM
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From Warren Mundine,
"Australia was built on a simple democratic principle.
Every Australian is equal before the law. Full stop!
Doesn’t matter if you’re a prince or a pauper, you get the same treatment. That is the fundamental principle written into the DNA of the Australian Constitution, which is our national rulebook.

But what happens if you change the rules, so that one group of Australians gets an extra say over your democratically elected government?

The Constitution is the bedrock of our democracy and changing it is a big deal. But this change is so big, if the ‘yes’ side wins the referendum, there will be an entire new chapter in the Constitution.
Right alongside chapters on ‘The Parliament’, ‘The Executive Government’ and 'The Judicature’ will be a new one called ‘The Voice’.
Albo has even said it would be a “brave” government that didn’t do what the Voice wanted.

So, what does it want? That’s the danger with this thing. Albo says getting this race-based body into the Constitution is just a first step – the Voice is how they make more changes to how your government works with a “treaty”.

According to the activists, a treaty could mean seats in Parliament for Indigenous Australians only, or a separate Indigenous Parliament, reparation payments from non-Indigenous Australians to Indigenous Australians, and even direct oversight of your government and the bureaucracy. It’s a dangerous nightmare.

And once it’s in the Constitution – you can’t get rid of it.

Yours in unity,

Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO
on behalf of FAIR AUSTRALI
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 9:01:12 AM
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Paul might ask Lidia Thorpe and her 2,500 warriors what they want in a treaty, is it administrative control of the land, rivers, waters, and beaches? He is hiding under a Green rock believing the Voice is merely making suggestions to all aspects of Government without necessarily acting on them. This is not the facts of the Uluru Statement, and Warren has identified their intent, it is more that making suggestions to Government, it is advising government on how to implement their agenda of Closing the Gap and giving them back their sovereignty and cultural rights.

That currently includes Welcome to Country and ancestral worship of elders past and present, and animistic views of how things were formed.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 9:28:54 AM
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From linda Thorpe.
All you Black people Fight for your rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zverAa1EJf8
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 9:38:51 AM
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From Lidia Thorpe on ABC,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-01/first-nations-mps-senators-on-voice-to-parliament/101976080

"There are 11 Aboriginal MPs and senators. What role would another body play that isn't already being voiced in the parliament?

If done well, with genuine consultation and grassroots representation, it could amplify the voices of community leaders. But a quick look at how advisory bodies have been used in the past suggests that it would most likely be used by government to legitimise inaction and top-down policies. The government had advice from First Nations people on the racist Northern Territory intervention that was ignored and NT mob are still hurting from that.

We as First Nations MPs and senators already bring our peoples' voices to the table and we actually vote on legislation, which is much more than the Voice will be able to do. However, there is no guarantee we will always have such strong First Nations representation in parliament. This is why I am advocating for treaty, which could designate seats in parliament for First Nations people. A voice in parliament will have more impact than a Voice to Parliament. This is something that has been done in other colonised countries and has provided First Nations people with actual power to achieve real outcomes.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 3:03:02 PM
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Aboriginal voices in parliament or reserved places would distort the parliament. If there isn't another solution for me the only solution appears to be autonomous regions- perhaps based on current numbers of Aboriginals that want to live in an autonomous region. Autonomous regions unable them to separate themselves from the supposedly evil Anglo-British-White world and govern themselves with their own institutions, their own police, courts, etc. Even if it doesn't work at least they can "own it".
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 9 June 2023 7:05:40 AM
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