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A human rights model that does not discriminate should underpin voluntary assisted dying legislation : Comments

By David Swanton, published 5/5/2023

If a person is suffering, but according to doctors is not ‘sick enough’ or has the wrong sort of illness, then bad luck. They must suffer as they would be ineligible for VAD.

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The article comes short of addressing the root problem, which is that states belligerently grab for themselves the authority to protect even those who do not seek their protection: in the context of this article, against murder.

I can understand that most people want to be protected against murder (among other things), but even then, why particularly choose the state to be one's protector? this is not a free choice, this is a case of having no choice at all.

Suppose the state observed and therefore assumed that most people sought its protection, then why wouldn't it do the decent thing and make that the default while allowing people to opt out of its protection? The answer is that the state does not do so because it is not a decent body, because its whole existence came about by force and not by the will of the people, its victims.

It is not that I support murder, not even VAD, but had we been able to tell the state in advance, "Thanks for your offer of protection, but no thanks, I do not seek your protection against being murdered, so I release you of all responsibility and if I happen to be murdered then that would be none of your business.", then this whole discussion of VAD would have not been necessary to begin with!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 5 May 2023 4:01:43 PM
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There’s an evil oppression at hand.

A war rages in the mystical Canberran Heaven between the archetypal Angels, while the little people of earth below shudder in fear of its crushing consequences.

But the archangel Falou has shone a light on the path to salvation for us all.

Play on regardless, grow wealthy by their mistakes, don’t lose faith in your own trusted beliefs, and don’t support fools by voting for them!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 5 May 2023 4:42:48 PM
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VAD. It's now vogue in most states. We're told if life becomes too intolerable, we can get a needle that ends it all.

And for many oldies, life is largely intolerable. Why? Because bones turn to chalk, hips break, and it takes years for the public system to replace them. And there limits how long you can bear unbearable pain before you say, I want to end it all.

You try to do something physical and the heart thumps so hard in your chest that you have to sit and practise beathing until the rate normalises.

All part of getting old, we're told. Nothing we can do about it except fill you full of enough drugs that you all but rattle.

Wrong. We can do plenty. We can provide EDTA chelation therapy to clean out clogged arteries and veins so that a healthy blood supply negates things like hips breaking when asked to bear the load as you step up a step, e.g.

We can apply HRT, which for men should include mandated testosterone replacement. Testosterone has no peer as a vascular dilator. And if given to women, enough to make some blokes climb up on the roof and pull the ladder up after them.

There is a popular but unproven theory that testosterone may be associated with cancer and enlarged prostates. If this were true, then every 18- and 19-year-old on the planet would be a bag of tumours and have prostates the size of oranges.

We could make life far more tolerable for our oldies, but that would chew into big pharma's massive profits associated with managing old folks' symptoms. And put many surgeons on dole queues. Better we should offer sanctioned murder or VAD.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 6 May 2023 11:41:00 AM
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Remember if you opt for EDTA chelation therapy, to take the recommended complimentary minerals and vitamins, as EDTA Chelation therapy claws out some of the good guys as well as the bad ones.

EDTA chelation therapy as part of public health, would massively reduce the load on our hospitals and doctor's surgeries. And also, massively reduce the health care budget. And all but empty out nursing homes.

The downside is that big pharma's profit curve would all but flat line and there would be threats to Dis-endorse all medical practitioners who provide EDTA chelation therapy.

On Covid, children with clean arteries and veins were vastly less ill while oldies with clogged and calcified arteries and veins were dropping like flies!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 6 May 2023 12:00:28 PM
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VAD legislation is a thumbs up for government to treat death as a lifestyle option. Nursing homes full? VAD. Mental health services stretched? VAD. Long hospital waiting lists? VAD. Homelessness? VAD. Feeling old and miserable? VAD. Retirement not what you'd hoped for? VAD.

The Department of Death will be very busy solving all of society's shortcomings and we will all be happy: All praise the Giant Hammer, solver of all our problems! Don't be selfish buddy. You've had a good life, now it's time for you to help out your fellow citizens. Oh, and the Happy Death Co, owned by Chairman Dan's mates, will have the exclusive rites to your termination.

Go Death! Go Death! Go Death! Yeah!
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 6 May 2023 1:54:36 PM
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Almost every aged negative health condition or infirmity is the result of clogged arteries and veins, along with consequent reduced oxygen transfer and reduced hormones. [Incidently, what make a hormone? A: when you don't pay her.]

You clean out those arteries and veins and include HRT and most of those referred to conditions disappear! A better oxygenated brain and hey presto, better balance, memory and cognitive ability.

Add HRT and better mobility and weight control ensues. And far fewer trips to the doctor/health services as well. Independance returns in spades along with interest in sex and other pleasurable activities.

We could cut migration by at least half, just keeping our current expertise keep on keeping on and bone and muscle would become stronger able to bear more weight and physical endeavour.

ttbn would feel like a kid again. Sorry ttbn, don't know where we could get you one of those on such short notice. Maybe a nanny? Just kidding mate.

In fact, the only downside if there is one is the downward profit curve of big pharma and some millionaire doctors. And phuck the human rights of oldies to the best, least expensive health care!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 7 May 2023 12:50:36 PM
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