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Energy wars: outing the Nord Stream saboteurs : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 23/2/2023

The European Commission's Press Officer Andrea Masini has opted for the line that revelations from an investigative reporter are less trustworthy than official investigations.

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Australia and the Indo-Pacific face a clear and present danger from the USA and global NATO who are pushing us into a war with China. They are manipulating our society with pre-bunking brain washing techniques. A big concern is the Quad and AUKUS which have been imposed on Australian democracy without any national or parliamentary debate or consent from the people of Australia. We need to stay away from the state terrorists.
Posted by Macedonian advocacy, Thursday, 23 February 2023 11:49:15 AM
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Armchair Critic

It’s admirable to pick off the Democrats as a huge threat to world peace.

Recognising Hersh is a stooge with diminishing credibility on many fronts, including his proneness to sensationalism in his reporting, is wise in doing so though.

Using him as credible evidence for anything at all, in view of his sketchy reporting, is counterproductive to truth.

I think at this stage, sit back and wait for that truth to emerge is good advice.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 23 February 2023 12:06:58 PM
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Clutching at straws!

Still, should the Russians be innocent, then that will be their first time in exactly 12 months.

Correct?
Posted by Aspley, Thursday, 23 February 2023 2:15:32 PM
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As far as I'm concerned Russia has been completely vindicated.
The West made promises not to move NATO eastwards but went back on their word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO
In 2008 they continued moving eastwards and indicated a desire for Ukraine and Georigia to join, which Putin strongly objected to.
- He stated that if Ukraine moved to join NATO he would take Crimea.
Then the US overthrew Ukraine in 2014, and the resulting US puppet government started a hate campaign against ethnic Russians who started protesting and wanted nothing to do with the US installed regime in Kiev.
Putin then launched an military operation to occupy Crimea and the people there voted overwhelmingly to join Russia.
The US war hawks have been hysterical about it ever since, as they wanted to take Russia's Naval facilities in Sevastopol and deprive them of their naval base on the Black Sea.
The protestors became known as the 'separatists' and the government in Kiev waged a war against them for 8 years.
Later Putin intervened in Syria which infuriated the West even more.
Members of the DPR and LPR completed surrounded Ukrainian armed forces and to avoid their capture Merkel instigated Minsk 1 agreements which was accepted.
Putin tried for peace with both the Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 agreements, and the reason why he is completely vindicated is because of Merkel, Poroshenko and Hollande have all stated the Minsk agreements which were not done in good faith, they never intended to make peace, but were buying time to build up Ukraine militarily.
The Ukrainian government kept shelling the people of Donetsk and intended to attack Crimea.
Unlike the West defending foreign people, Putin had no choice but to defend his own people, both the Russian speaking people in Donetsk and Luhansk, as well as the Russians in Crimea who had been deprived of piped water, but also his own citizens in Russia itself against the West which has slowly been surrounding Russia and had plans to oust Putin, and install a government more suitable to western based global order.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 23 February 2023 3:46:11 PM
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More evidence of Red (Green) Brown alliances in promoting the same pro Putin agitprop, who is manipulating whom?

Apart from the fact that the official investigation is ongoing and commenters guessing on behalf and advantage of Putin, by 'Red Browns' in the Anglosphere following Fox News & Koch Network talking points?

Wiki: 'The term red–green–brown alliance, originating in France in the 2000s, refers to the alliance of leftists (red), Islamists (green), and the far right (brown). The term has also been used to describe alleged alliances of industrial union-focused leftists (red), ecologically-minded agrarians (green), and the far right (brown).'
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 27 February 2023 8:03:00 PM
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Armchair,
The promise not to expand NATO eastwards was made to a country that no longer exists.
Expanding NATO does not give Russia any right whatsoever to invade its neighbours, except in the deluded minds of warmongers such as Putin and yourself.
The US did not overthrow Ukraine in 2014. Their PM did a bunk but their democratically parliament (not the US) chose a replacement and continued on as before with the same people as before (except the one who'd chosen to flee). Since then they've had multiple democratic elections.
The "US installed regime in Kiev" was non existent. I suspect the same is true of the hate campaign.
Russia ILLEGALLY STARTED A WAR, and ILLEGALLY ANNEXED CRIMEA. Holding a sham referendum doesn't make Russia's occupation of Crimea legal.

The Separatists that Ukraine waged war against for 8 years weren't the protestors; they were armed militia that Ukraine had every right to crush. Unfortunately many civilians were killed, by all sides. The Separatists only survived with Russian backing, and Russia gradually took them over.

Serious question: do you think Hitler "had no choice but to defend his own people" when he invaded Czechoslovakia?
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 12:09:38 AM
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