Excellent article. Excellent woman. I like to think that there are still more good women around than there are gross harpies of the sort she rightly rips into.

Ms. Arndt speaks up for us blokes more than we do for ourselves.

Disgree, men denied women the vote acquired their property through marriage and raped their wives as though it was their god given right. And during that era women were no more than goods and chattels and brood mares forced to bear child after child.

Were expected to cook clean and plough the fields Had no more rights than common slaves. Yes, there was a movement of feminists that had little in common with females but rather, Feminazis. But that's a man hating minority.

The Author and the source she quotes from, are. believe, historical revisionists. Even today some of the above are true for some women and only one third of households the world over, have washing machines.

It must be nice to live in the Author's bubble, confident in the knowledge you're always right.
Alan B.

>,believe,< should be read as <,I believe,<
Alan.

I much prefer the kind of integral feminism promoted by Adrienne Rich. And Susan Griffin too http://www.susangriffin.com
And the kind of integral feminism promoted by the author of a book titled Voices of the Sacred Feminine -Conversations to Re-Shape Our World http://www.blogtalkradio.com/voicesofthesacredfeminine

Old time "education" was entirely and only about brain-washing the kiddies in what to think. Such was definitely the case when I went to primary and high school in the 50's and 60's. So too with must/most of the back-to-the-past "education" promoted by those on the right side of the culture wars.
And just as important, if not more so, was the function/purpose of TV and movie-theater films.

The purpose of which was summed up in the popular song by Malvina Reynolds titled Little Boxes All the Same.

Meanwhile in the now-time of 2023 the principal brain-washing (education) medium is of course screens of one kind or another - I-phones, I-pads, computers, and TV especially in the case of boys adolescents and young men ultra-violent video games. And big screen movie-theater films too.

More drivel from Arndt.

The Wikipedia link makes clear that the Declaration of Sentiments is closely modelled on the Declaration of Independence, using the same rhetoric to parallel Americans’ desire for rights and independence, and women’s desire for the same. So the “history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation on the part of man towards woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her” is almost identical to this from the Declaration of Independence:

“The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.”

Either Arndt doesn’t realise this, or she chooses not to tell us.

A third of signatories of the Declaration of Sentiments were male - including Frederick Douglass.

Elsewhere, her logic is flawed. The fact that many men were not allowed to vote in national elections at the time the Declaration was published doesn’t in any way diminish that fact that no women were allowed to vote, because they were women. If the situation were reversed, and only educated property-owning women were allowed to vote, but no men, would she likewise consider that not discriminatory? Perhaps New York State had legislation protecting women’s rights to property, but the same protections were not applied elsewhere. The fact that marital rape was disapproved of does not detract from the fact that it was not just legal but considered a man’s right.

That “Britain's brave suffragettes” had a dark history is not “revealed” by Fiamengo; it is well known, and not just in academic circles. The early scenes of the 2015 movie Suffragette show a violent protest by suffragettes. It is still a matter of debate whether such tactics were justified, as it in many other freedom movements around the world (Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist).

Swiney’s views on men were weird and extreme - linked with her views on eugenics, theosophy, Gnosticism and occultism – but they were not representative, or particularly influential. Certainly no-one holds those views today.

Meanwhile the Doomsday Clock has moved even closer to mid-night and thus potentially to a planet-wide catastrophe with the sock-pocket macho-men strutting their toxic masculinity on to the world stage in The Ukraine.

This situation and the hell-deep "culture" of death which now patterns and controls the entire world is obviously the fault of the dreaded man-hating feminists!

So too was the industrial-scale slaughter of WW1 and its continuation in WW2!

I don't really care what anyone thinks but I'm totally convinced that the Pill turned many women into female power-crazy dingwits !
Suddenly (with the Pill), many simply went Ape-$hit with the absence of responsibility over their own bodies which they turned into the most powerful tool against men !
The rest is now a sad history !

Yep, Indy, it's obvious that you don't care what others think or the what the actual facts are.

The only change that came with the pill was the sexual liberation of women. And the right to decide if they became human incubators or not.

That you think the way you do tells us plenty about you, none of it in any way complementary!

Here in freedom loving Australia, they have the right to say no!

Women are half of the world's human population. And should have the same rights as the rest of humanity!

Trying it on because some of them take the pill is simple bastardry! And not worthy of a real man!

Take your very obvious misogyny and shove where the sun doesn't shine.
Alan B.

Feminism has always been about ugly women who hate themselves, & transfer that hate to men.

Ugly on the outside, or inside, or both, it doesn't matter, but it is very real ugly.

Alan B,
Try to see see it from a heterosexual perspective !

Thank you, Hasbeen and Indyvidual, for illustrating so clearly why the feminist cause is as necessary, relevant and morally compelling as ever.

illustrating so clearly why the feminist cause is as necessary
Rhian,
The sad, really sad part of it all is that feminists are so un-feminine hence their only alternative is to resort to power !
Have you ever seen a classy, attractive feminist ?

Indyvidual

I know scores of classy attractive feminists (try Google), but no classy or attractive misogynists

Rhian,
Self-convincing is a poor trait !

Indy, I am a heterosexual with 2 girls and 2 female grandkids. I've met men who boosted about gang raping a girl in front of her family, friends and me.

Same men got very drunk and fell from a very high, high-rise balcony some weeks later. And suddenly the world became a better place. Police wrote it off as drunken tomfoolery.

Her father and his new bride sailed that very week for Tahitia to retire. I'm not saying there was any connection, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was. And how one would expect a "normal" heterosexual male/outraged dad to react to the news his daughter was so violated.

I believe there is nothing wrong with my personal (normal heterosexual) perspective! But I believe yours is seriously suspect.
Alan B.

I believe there is nothing wrong with my personal (normal heterosexual) perspective!
Alan B,
Keep telling yourself that !

We can only speak from our own experiences.
However, I do believe that for most of us times
have changed. Our relationships have become more
flexible. Today - there usually aren't designated
stereotypical "roles," as there used to be in the
past. as to who does what. Both partners today
usually share the jobs and support each other.

Today - it usually takes two salaries to support a
family. We still have a gender pay gap for many people.
And things are not easy - but the flexibility and
family support certainly helps. People today decide
for themselves in their relationships - how things
are going to work for them. And that certainly helps
to make things work.

I've never had to fight for "equality." I've never
burned my bra - and marched in any demonstrations.
I've always considered myself lucky in all the jobs
I've ever held. I loved my work and was happy in the
organisations for whom I worked. I like to think that my
promotions were granted on merit. I worked hard, and I
feel that I earned my salary.

Maybe I was one of the lucky ones because I also had a very
understanding and supportive husband. Give and take all round
for us both.

Hi Foxy

What type of workplaces were you in. Just curious.

Cheers Mavs

Are, I see you worked for the CSIRO.

Science or admin?

Cheers Mavs

Hi Foxy

I’m old enough to have both experienced and witnessed discrimination against women in education and the workplace, but these have become much less overt and widespread in recent decades. If anything, they made me more determined to, like you, pursue a career built through (I hope) merit-based promotions.

I did take part in a couple of Reclaim the Night marches in my distant youth, though I understand that bra-burning was mainly a myth:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45303069

At the time, it seemed that full equality was inevitable. The moral case was compelling. Legal discriminations such as the ban on married women working had been being dismantled, equal pay was legislated, and overt discrimination was outlawed.

We have made a lot of progress since then. But if you look at the data, women still haven’t achieved equality. It’ not just the gender pay gap, it’s under-representation in positions of power and authority, disproportionate shares of housework, lower retirement incomes and greater likelihood of sexual assault and harassment. Some indicators are better for women – life expectancy, for example – but most are not.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/people-and-communities/gender-indicators

What I dislike about writers such as Arndt and Fiamengo is their cynical and deliberate misrepresentation of data and historical events to profit by pandering to some pretty ugly prejudices. I see the men who fall for this stuff (and they are almost all men) as their victims.

Hi Maverick,

I've had a varied career - over two continents.
It included CSIRO (science).

Hi Rhian,

I agree with your summation. And I hope that things will
be even better for my grand-daughter's future in this
country. She's currently only 8 years old - so there's
time. Plus she's very stubborn and determined. I can't
imagine her not being her own person no matter what she
chooses to do.

she's very stubborn and determined
Foxy,
Do you really believe this is a desirable trait ?

It included CSIRO (science).
Foxy,
What's your legacy from that for the money you got paid for being there ?

indyvidual,

My grand-daughter has many traits.
She's not one-dimensional.
And as far as CSIRO goes - I was part of a team. We
all worked for hard for a very small salary - but
we achieved a great deal for the organization in our
findings.

If you want to see feminism in action, just take a look at Queensland.

Ever since Annie took over we have had an increasing girls club running everything government. There is not a single sector which is not falling apart. Hospitals & health care in general are collapsing. Education is a total mess, it was bad enough before with ladies "fixing" the curriculum.

Law & order has collapsed under a commissioner who appears to want to be a welfare worker, the trains are a mess as is other public transport.

Where do you find a modern Joh Bjelke-Petersen when you desperately need one. He may have been a bit of an old reprobate, but everything worked, was cheep & fully paid for.