I propose that Jan 26 should be National Get Over It Day. Get over what? Whatever you reckon.

That stuff about murder and brutality could be true except it wasn't me that did it nor the recently arrived. Perhaps citizenship ceremonies should include apologies for 200 years of mistreatment of the aggrieved and the aggrieved could say thanks for one or two benefits along the way.

On the booze already. How Australian!

1st January 1901 is not when Australia started. Australia Day is 26th January as still supported by 62% of Australians. Other so-called Australians don't just hate the date - they hate Australia, particularly white Australia - the British based Australia that did the hard yards for all the bludgers to come.

I'm not going to read any more of this bilge. I have said elsewhere that I don't observe the day because the carry on of a minority sickens me.

I know what I think of Australia, the majority of Australians (still) and the rubbish minority that makes all the noise, and spews hatred of white Australia, without fail, every year

Go for it Everald. I`m with you (minus the Scotch).

Actually, the settlement was driven by a need to beat the French to
making a claim. That the Aborigines had no idea of any other nation
or even the concept of a nation means they were outside the world structure.
In any case as this continent is concerned the day the first fleet
arrived was the biggest event in 65,000 years !
Surely that tops all other contenders ?

Well argued position, Everald! I agree, January Ist would be a much more inclusive and appropriate day on which to celebrate our birth as a nation. We need a day which includes every Australian and one that doesn't reignite the hurt and injustice suffered by our First Nations people. It's not a difficult change to make and should be done as soon as possible.

Having Australia Day on January 1st is a spiffing idea young Everald.

Genuine Aborigines (from birth) and the lily white and increasing majority who are fake "Aborigines" (eg. academic Race-Shifting women who "discover" their 1/16th Aboriginal "blood" but no "mob" relatives in sight when they're 50yo) might be so hungover on Jan 1st that they don't feel like protesting an Australia Day then.

And besides January 26th has already been designated Aboriginal and White Greenie Complaints Day by Albo's ABC.

What Bazz says.
Alan B.

What Ben Pobjie said in his book: "Aussie, Aussie,
Aussie." :

" The first inhabitants were of course the Aboriginal
people. who generations of Australians remember from that
one history class when the teacher mentioned them. But the
original inhabitants would not have thought of themselves
as Australian."

"the 250 individual nations that occupied the continent had
yet to gain the wonderful sense of national unity that white
men brought to Australia along with other marvelous
innovations such as guns and smallpox."

"For many thousands of years these people lived in total
ignorance of what they were missing out on. not even knowing
how deprived they were until their European benefactors
came along to teach and/ or kill them."

"Of course these white men didn't think of Australia as
"Australia" either. The Fleeters thought of themselves as
British and the fact that they were on the other side of the
world would not stop them feeling that way."

"In fact it took some time for the British and their descendants
in Australia to stop thinking of England as "home."

Some still think that way. And still view Australia as an
outpost of the British Empire far beyond the point in which this
perception was literally true or even remotely reasonable.

And who can blame them. We are after all - still British subjects
with a British monarch as our Head of State. That hasn't changed.

Well said Everald, couldn't agree more, Australia Day is 1st January 1901. The only reason a majority support 26th January is they don't want to lose the public holiday. I would agree with a holiday for Multicultural / Harmony Day, March 21st.

It was great to see all the terrific Australians announced in the awards yesterday, I agree with all those named as all are worthy of recognition. However one old fart on here will be upset, his folk hero Corny Banana missed out for the umteenth year in a row.

they don't want to lose the public holiday
Paul1405,
Something tells me you might be right with that !

Dear Paul,

I loved the Canberra ceremony yesterday. It had a bit of
everything in it. From Indigenous music, dance, flags,
welcome to country to citizenship ceremonies. We are one
and we are many indeed! Get rid of "Advance Australia
Fair," we got rid of The White Australia policy - it's time for
this "fair" anthem to go as well. Also - it is time we thought
of not only being Australian citizens - but being Australian
subjects and not British subjects.

Hi Foxy,

I'm in favour of abandoning 26th January completely. Australia Day 1st January, new public holiday Multicultural / Harmony Day, March 21st. This 26th January crap is like if Germany had their national day on 20th April to celebrate the Fuhrer's birthday, and they told Jewish people; "just get over it". Good turnout in Brisbane yesterday for the 'Invasion Day' protest.

Dear Paul,

I totally agree that it is time we moved on to what
Australia is today. However, I would have the date on
when we become a Republic. That would indeed be -
"Australia Day," with a new anthem and flag. And prior to that
we need to recognise our Indigenous people - and give them
a rightful place in our nation's history.

Foxy is deluded as she follows the history of fiction. She believes aboriginals learnt to kill only when settlers came with their guns. That we are still British citizens. This is fiction as The Australia citizen Act came into force on the 26th January 1947 and all born here became citizens of Australia including aboriginals. That is the day all born here became new citizens of Australia [not Britian] are recognized.

Despite objections, parliament passed the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 and it became law on Australia Day, 26 January 1949. The Act created Australian citizenship and the rules for gaining it. All residents born in Australia automatically became citizens. This included all aboriginals. It had nothing to do with Captain Cook and Arthur Philip landing and the settlement at farm Cove.

The fiction was born in 1988 on 26th January when 200 years of history was celebrated on the holiday on the 26th January and the fiction of the landing of captain Cook landing was born. However, Cook never landed in Sydney Harbour. It was because a replica of the endeavour was built and an enactment of a landing, this is fiction.

Josephus,

You have no idea what I believe in so stop making
wrong assumptions. I do not believe that we are
British citizens. And we've been down this route before.
I know about the Australian Citizenship Act - however what
we are - is British SUBJECTS@ There's a difference.
As are all people who are part of the Commonwealth. Out head
of state is a British monarch. Do keep up and get your facts
correct.

Foxy again has shown her ignorance, we are not British subjects, we are not subjects to British laws and Justice. We have the Australian Act that makes all born in Australia subject to Australian laws and Justice.

The media is responsible for rewriting our History and promoting division in society. Foxy is a Marxist revisionist.

Dear Foxy

I agree with many of your statements:

eg.

1. Change our National Anthem to "We are one and we are many". Thereby getting rid of the lamentable Girt Song "Advance Australia
Fair,"

2. and I particularly agree with your earlier exortation of white benevolence:

"The wonderful sense of national unity that white men brought to Australia"

and I add:

3. Also whites have lifted the average Aboriginal life expectancy from an estimated 30 years pre-whites:

due to Aboriginal

- warfare

- "pointing the bone" psychological torture, then death

- starvation and infant mortality in times of severe drought

- low standard of indigenous invented health,

- low quality food (eg. yams)

- inefficient (no bow and arrow) hunting practices, need to follow slightly speared roos for 2-3 days etc

+++++++++++++

to an average of 73 years in 2021 due to:

- a vastly higher standard of living (compared to pre-white bark humpies)

- white invented healthcare, and

- modern policing replacing inter-tribal warfare

There you have it Foxy.

Cheers Mavs

Josephus,

I'm not going to correct all of the things that you're
wrong about. I don't have the time nor the interest.
Nor do I believe it will make any difference to your
mindset. So I'll leave it to just this few:

1) You called me a Marxist revisionist. I'm not a supporter
of the political and economic theories of Karl Marx. And I am
not familiar with the term you're using. Do you even know what
a Marxist revisionist is? I certainly don't!

2) Children born in Australia with a birth certificate
issued in Australia are NOT automatically Australian citizens
or Australian permanent residents. To be an Australian
citizen - at least one parent must be an Australian citizen
or permanent resident of Australia at the time of the child's
birth.

3) Like the citizens of all the countries composing the
British Commonwealth Australians remained British subjects
but from the Australia Act 1949 - were recognized also as
citizens of their own countries. Our head of state is the
British monarch. We have a Governor-General who is their
representative in this country. Our Members of Parliament
are required to take an Oath of allegiance to the British
monarch, and our flag has the Union Jack on it. Also check
our constitution - there's more references there to our
links with the UK.

I would appreciate it if you did not make assumptions
about me or try to put your words into my mouth.
You need to read what I did say not your interpretation of it.
And don't speak on my behalf. You're not qualified to do that.

Hi Maverick,

Thank you for your opinions regarding our Indigenous people.
However, you did leave out a few facts - like their loss of land,
culture, and homelands, the forced removal of their children,
the denial of citizenship rights, the random shootings and
massacres that occurred on men, women, and children, the
diseases and the epidemic devastations of their populations,
just to mention a few of the effects that white settlement had
on them.

But thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Hi Foxy,

Don't be upset, its not everyday you get called a "Marxist revisionist", he may have meant Marxist revolutionary, probably has a problem typing whilst wearing his bed sheet. That's an honour coming from the Imperial Wizard of the Australian chapter of the KKK, well I believe Proud Boy Jose' holds that exalted title, if he don't, he should. Besides, I'm the only Marxist in the village (Little Britain).

BTW; who is your favourite Marx brother, personally I like Groucho. I'm also into the works of Lennon, I just love his music. As a young "revolutionary" I played this song many times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLGzRXY5Bw

Foxy, we Australians do not come under a British monarch, The Monarch was queen of Australia now Charles King of Australia. I know you cannot understand the difference and wish Australia to become a tinpot Republic as does Paul. At the time of the Australia Act 1949 all born in Australia became Australian citizens including all aboriginals. Those not born in Australia had to apply from that date and were recognized on the anniversary of the 26th of January. The aboriginals were included as citizens from that date. The 26th of January had nothing to do with Captain Cook, the first fleet entering Botany Bay and the settlement of convicts.

You want to change the day because you believe aboriginals suffered because of what happened on the 26th of January. Nonsense, You are a history revisionist which is what Marxist do, to deceive the people.

Proud Boy Jose'

If you can't see how divisive 26th January is, then your are at best ignorant, worse still an ardent racists, what's it to be. You and those like you minimise the impact of white settlement on Aboriginal people.

"You (Foxy and Paul) want to change the day because you believe aboriginals suffered because of what happened on the 26th of January. Nonsense"

Its not simply a belief, its a well established fact. 30,000 Aboriginal people perished directly during the 100 years of Frontier Wars, with an estimated 100,000 additional deaths from disease and dispossession. If you choose to ignore the reality then that's you, If anyone is a revisionist its YOU.

Josephus,

You need to take a look at 117 of the Constitution -
"subject of the Queen," and "people of the Commonwealth"
used in s24. Then there's also the Oaths of Allegiance
that our MPs have to take before holding their offices.

There's so much information out there regarding our ties
with Britain. What you choose to believe I have no control
over. I am not a history revisionist. I am not a historian.
I am a researcher - and I merely present my findings.
And that goes for the histories of our Indigenous peoples
as well. Kindly stop with personal labelling. It makes
you look less credible.

As for changing the date? well lets see- the 26th of January
commemorates the establishment of the first settlement in
the colony of NSW. This is not the same as Australia.
It is a day that reflects a day of great tragedy for the
Aboriginal people of Australia.

I see no harm in changing the date if it will promote good
will.

Holding onto January 26th is to only celebrate one part of
our history and that being one of our darkest periods.
A period that historically we are told is a period of slave
labour, oppression, and imperial social strata continuation.

The Australia of today is NOT white, western, nor Aboriginal,
nor immigrant. Our nation is a modern nation made up of ALL
ethnicities you can imagine.

The 26th January as Australia Day does NOT define Australia
today!

foxy says, "The 26th January as Australia Day does NOT define Australia today!" Ask all those who became Citizens of Australia on the 26th of January since 1949 if they define themselves as Australians? This includes all aboriginals born in Australia before 1949. You do not like how we define Australians and want to divide our society. The Settlement of Arthur Philip happened on the 18th January 1788 not the 26th. There was no invasion as you and Paul try to imply.

Josephus,

January 26th does not celebrate the establishment of
Australia as a country. It marks the foundation of the
British colony in NSW.

Most nations celebrate their national day on the date
of independence from their colonial power, NOT the day
of colonisation.

January 26th has negative associations for ALL Australians
both Indigenous and non-Indigenous. It marks the start
of dispossession and discrimination of Indigenous Australians
and the arrival of convicts in chains.

A different date would be a significant symbolic act towards
reconciliation.

Australia day now is unrecognizable from the past more and more.
Ambassadors, citizenship ceremonies, and welcome to country pay
respect to Aboriginal Australians.

26th January is marked by Aboriginal celebrations across
the country as - invasion day, survival day - to remind us all
of what happened, our history and to celebrate the flowering of
Aboriginal spirituality, culture, and creativity that still
survives despite what was done.

We should as a nation keep on trying and work towards changing
the meaning of Australia Day. It may take time to agree on a
date but it needs to be done.

If you have a problem understanding this - I can no longer help
you. I shall not bother you any more.

Enjoy your week-end.

From Arthur Philip's reports
"The First Fleet left England on 13 May 1787 and arrived at Botany Bay on 18 January 1788 after a voyage whose success again owed much to Phillip's care".
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/phillip-arthur-2549

Still can't make up your minds as to whether Australia, at this present time, belongs to first nation or interlopers.
It's all about gaming....theirs one day and not the next...so on and so one.

The 26th January will always be the day the Australia Act came into force in 1949, when all born here including aboriginals came under the one law and justice system. Changing the date means nothing to the record of History of Australia. Those that want to change the date are history revisionists. It offends their little minds that Australia in one People, they want it divided by race. There is also an undercurrent to enshrine a new immigrant's voice in parliament to represent their needs, as presented by ABC and SBS.

The day the first fleet arrived was the biggest event in 65000 years !
Can you top that with any other event ?