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The coming crash of the climate cult : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 14/12/2022

Green worship is the state religion of all western nations. It is promoted by billionaires with other agendas, and endlessly repeated by the UN.

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Most of the nonsense is not going to happen. 'By 2050' is a long way off. The current jerks won't be in power. Nobody knows what anything will be like on 27 years. Emissions are still increasing in most of the world, and so what! Nobody has come up with solid proof that CO2 has anything to do with climate. Consensus is not science.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 14 December 2022 7:58:36 AM
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I am forced to agree with most of this, Viv. Nuclear power as MSR thorium will allow prices as low as 3 cents PKWH.

Moreover, MSR technology can be used to burn donated, we are paid millions to take, nuclear waste where it is mostly 90-95% unspent fuel.

MSR operates at ambient air pressure and in an engineered, designed molten state, and cannot therefore melt down or explode! It is walk away safe! MSR thorium delivers everything fusion promised but is yet to deliver/ may never deliver. Even though they may have managed to boil a couple of kettles to date, via mind blowing energy inputs.

Furthermore, power that cheap make hydrogen production much, much cheaper than the fossil fuel options.

Every internal combustion engine can be tweaked to run on hydrogen or methane and the referred to green fuels, can power ceramic fuel cells, in electric drive vehicles. That can be refueled in mere minutes on the go making the issue of range, redundant. Methane can be made on farm via the fermentation of organic waste in purpose-built tanks.

Solar cells to give them their due can also be tasked with the production of hydrogen which can be stored and used on demand during the night or day. Endlessly sustainable hydrogen is the fuel of the future!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 14 December 2022 11:00:29 AM
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The poms, Germans, & even the French are thanking their lucky stars that they didn't blow up, or otherwise destroy some of their old coal fired power stations. Re firing those is all that is saving them from the immediate fate that Viv describes for our future.

Power companies can make more profit from subsidised windmills than proper coal fired power, so are anxious to get rid of coal. The Oz population will deserve what it gets if we allow them to destroy these facilities.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 14 December 2022 11:06:20 AM
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Replacing coal fired furnaces with nuclear ones could be done at existing plants and utilize existing transmission lines, Hasbeen. At today's prices nuclear is vastly cheaper than thermal coal and if done under Sovietized public ownership and control. Power for less than 6 cents PKWH could be reticulated to all households and business enterprise.

We could even restart local manufacture and industry via cooperative capitalism, i.e., co-ops. Which would mean the profits and all tax liability remains here, where one dollar does the work of seven due to the usual economic flow through.

And so very important and cannot be understated, during the worst financial crisis we've ever known. Sitting hands as the current mediocre (just don't do something, stand there) Talkathon government is doing is not an option!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 14 December 2022 2:45:47 PM
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Alan B,
I suppose you're aware of that already.

Scientists studying fusion energy at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California said they produced the first fusion reaction in a laboratory that created more energy than it took to start it. https://nyti.ms/3FrgNWl
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 15 December 2022 9:26:59 AM
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Yeah, Indy. Enough power to boil 2-3 jugs as return on the energy output of 500 Hiroshima's.

Simply put, and today, MSR thorium delivers all that fusion promised but is yet to fully deliver, may never fully deliver. And at the temperature and pressure required a massive hydrogen fueled, world killing explosion if one operational fusion reactor lets go. And continue until all the atmospheric/oceanic hydrogen is spent. Resulting in a small, short-lived star. That is rent asunder and hurled to all the corners of the universe.

[Only God can create a tree or a star! And men need stop playing at God!]

Not possible with MSR thorium which operates at current ambient air pressure. And cannot melt down given it operates in a designed molten state. If for any reason the power fails, the thing shuts down automatically, is walkaway safe.

Whereas with a power failure, a fully successful fusion reaction is liberated to kill the planet. And that particular power failure only needs to last as long as it takes light to travel one inch.

Imagine we were at war with a nuclear armed rogue nation armed with hypersonic cruise missiles. And some nut job with a death wish, thought that a fusion facility, would be a desirable target.
Alan B
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:45:25 AM
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