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The raider spirit: the unveiling of the B-21 : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 8/12/2022

Praise was heaped upon the celebrated, as yet untested monster. 'The B-21 is the most advanced military aircraft ever built and is a product of pioneering innovation and technological excellence.'

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Further evidence Psycho Sam gives the value of humans less than that of a chook or a rat.

Peace on earth and good will to men, and a very merry Christmas.

Thank God for Christian Nations on this earth, soon to become a nuclear quarry pit!

Great article.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 8 December 2022 8:33:07 AM
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New US B-21 Raider Illustrates Waste in Western Defense Spending Giving Russia-China the Edge
http://youtu.be/Zq9li-2W-Yc
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 8 December 2022 9:46:22 AM
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"Si vis pacem, para bellum" Vegetius c,430 AD

"If you want peace, prepare for war".
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 8 December 2022 10:00:40 AM
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Another hissy fit from Binoy?

The Ukraine war has shown how important it is to have a technological edge when fighting a war. The 1980s Russian tanks, guns and aircraft are being smashed by 1980/90s US-built stingers, Javelins and HIMARS and M777 howitzers.

Similarly, the B2 spirit bomber which neither Russia nor China has managed to match is being replaced with the smaller, cheaper to build and run and potentially pilotless B21 raider that is far more difficult to detect.

The US weapons conventional and nuclear are a deterrent against anyone that would be stupid enough to attack either the US or one of their allies.

The cost of these expensive weapons is a fraction of the cost of actually fighting a war.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 8 December 2022 10:16:05 AM
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Binoy doesn't like the B21.

The aircraft's prospects are looking good!
Posted by Aspley, Thursday, 8 December 2022 10:33:08 AM
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Test pilots would have tested this monster to the enth degree. That we had to have this monster testament to the savagery of some nations and their mad as cut snakes, heads, the whim and caprice of madmen.

As Roosevelt said, "talk softly but carry a big stick in a velvet glove."

Hope we never have to use the beast, because that will be when WW111 has begun.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 8 December 2022 11:46:25 AM
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Agree with Mhaze and Shadow Minister.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 8 December 2022 11:49:01 AM
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I do get very sick of the communist propaganda continually pushed by this peanut.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 8 December 2022 12:06:22 PM
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AUSTRALIA CONSIDERING BUYING THE B-21 AT A$4 BILLION EACH

I'm not enthusiastic about Australia buying B-21s - something implied by our Gov. Due to the following:

- the average infrastructure and project cost for Australia, may be A$50 Billion for a squadron of 10 B-21s, with 2 B-21s for training. This is based on US$2.13 billion each for the preceding B-2 and that is in 1997 dollars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit This is more than A$4 Billion in 2022 dollars.

The cost of the B-2 is the best real word, non-advertising, data available.

Contrary to aircraft maker claims, new types of military jet aircraft are ALWAYS more expensive - especially if Australia needs to build B-21 infrastructure from scratch (eg. a new base would likely be in central Australia with hardened shelters, housing a highly skilled workforce).

Also very high maintenance costs per B-21 flight hour should be anticipated. For the preceding B-2 ita was 119 hours of maintenance per flight hour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit#Program_costs_and_procurement

- the delay getting them operational in the RAAF (just a few years before Australian SSNs might enter service). See this estimate in

"To B-21 or not to B-21: what are Australia’s best long-range strike options?"

of Dec 6, 2022 at http://www.aspistrategist.org.au/to-b-21-or-not-to-b-21-what-are-australias-best-long-range-strike-options/ :

"The timing for achieving a fully operational capability in a maritime strike role in the Royal Australian Air Force is hard to estimate given the B-21’s current status and the delays already experienced. The 2040s, or later, seems reasonable."

- to get full value B-21s are envisaged as dual-weapon capable ie. can also be nuclear armed. Is Australia willing to nuclear bomb Chinese fleets or the Chinese mainland?

and

- a RAAF B-21 squadron base in Australia could always be pre-emptively "taken out" by (even mere) conventionally warhead armed Chinese ballistic or hypersonic cruise missiles.
Posted by Maverick, Thursday, 8 December 2022 4:12:58 PM
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Maverick,

What drivel, The US would never sell the B21 to Aus and the gov has no intention of buying them.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 9 December 2022 3:27:02 AM
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I hope we don't actually plan on using them.
By the time we get 10 B-21s China will have 100 H-20s and superiority in space.
- Not to mention they'd probably have nuclear-armed submarines surrounding our coastline, and we don't even have nuclear weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-20

Australia is punching above it's weight.
We can't defend our 34,000 klms of coastline with anti-ballistic missiles.
A determined enemy will find weaknesses and all of our capital cities will be leveled like Hiroshima.

The phrase 'Don't bring a knife to a gunfight comes to mind'
So in summary, I think this is an excellent suicide plan.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 9 December 2022 7:54:03 AM
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shadowminister

Check out http://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-06/b21-nuclear-stealth-bomber-australian-military/101735190 of 6 December 2022:

"Defence Minister Richard Marles, who has previously suggested the B-21 is being examined by Australia in the Defence Strategic Review, has just arrived in the United States for talks with Secretary Austin.

RAAF figures believe the B-21 could provide an effective option for Australia to hold potential adversaries at bay over long distances but concede it would be well into the next decade before the aircraft could be acquired."
Posted by Maverick, Friday, 9 December 2022 6:32:15 PM
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Nuclear subs with nuclear weapons are the best deterrence, so long as we remain neutral and non-aligned with other western partners who are looking to start conflicts.

Keep theses subs within our territorial waters so as not to escalate tensions, unless there is a heightened state of tension and conflict seems like it will be inevitable.

Focus on trade and nation building, not war.
If we play stupid games we risk winning stupid prizes.

Respect is a 2-way street.
You don't get it from others if you don't offer them likewise.

Not that it matters, these '15 minute cities' they plan in the future are Orwellian and hellish. Look it up.
There's nothing left to fight for anyway, our nation has been conquered.
I feel sorry for the future citizens of the world and and am sad with what we'll be leaving the future generations of Australia to endure.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 9 December 2022 9:38:46 PM
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