Hi Ipso,
as an EcoModernist I want to reduce our reliance on the land - not increase it.

Fermented food could reduce our use of land down to mining. Imagine grazing and pasturelands going back to nature? That's 30% of the non-ice surface of the land. Imagine crops being replaced by fermented carbs that mimic corn and rice and wheat? That's the final 12%. Fruit and veg and herbs and spices take up hardly any land at all. We'll still use those for flavour. Maybe.

But imagine we cook up most of what we eat in big vats.

Imagine returning all those farmlands to natural ecosystems.
Imagine 3 TRILLION trees growing back.
Imagine them soaking up all that carbon.
As solar gets cheaper and bankrupts coal in the next decade - and as the human race domesticates the microcosm of yeasts and learns to genetically engineer the yeast to produce the infinite varieties of proteins we'll need - some here who farm the old fashioned way will go bankrupt. Or at least have to find a new line of work.

"Hasbeen" farms? Oh well. I tried to warn him.

The fermented proteins we make will be infinite in variety - whatever we choose to make - more combinations of proteins available than atoms in the universe! And vast-grown steaks and burger patties will be 10 to 20 times cheaper than real steak - and maybe even taste better also.

The welfare of hens in cages is "severely compromised"? We are expected to believe that because "experts" said so? Where is the evidence?

All we get are lectures. No proof.

Just because we would like to live in a cage doesn't mean chooks are even able to think about such things. Their tiny heads are useful for eating and clucking, not thinking, feeling or philosophising.

David Leyonhjelm is a qualified vet, if anyone is interested.

Poor o’l Al, lands himself on three landing strips with the same mail bag. Jingle bells!

Having actually worked on poultry farms, I can give an intelligent opinion.
Caged birds are not generally mistreated from my observation.

Since DL is a vet he would know the processes involved one would think.

Maybe there should be more consideration to humans locked in cages such as they are in long bay.

There should be a mandatory incarceration at long bay jail, of teenagers when they leave school. That would get their minds focused on something sensible, like the inhumane treatment of prisoners in solitary confinement. A chook in a cage is eons ahead of the pack.

DAN

Max Green sounds suspiciously like Paul1405 ! The same Genes ?

Careful Indy,
You might be risking being accused of also being Dan at the same time.
[Rolls eyes]

Always thought David Whathisname was a bit of an egg. Heinrich Himmler was a chicken farmer who liked to put people in cages, maybe Dave wants to follow in his footsteps. Me thinks so.