Dear Alan B,

I don't have a beef with you old boy just testing your capacity for consistency.

I am well aware of the high number of blue eyed and blonde people who identify as Jewish. Extensive influx of European genes within the Jewish diaspora is well documented.

But you seem to be contending a person's right to be regarded as a Jew can not be bred out but a person's aboriginality can.

Why isn't this a racist attitude, one deserving of being called out as I am doing with you now?

Of course the test being requested by Israeli Rabbis to test for Jewishness before issuing a marriage licence is well known and employed often.

"Israel's religious authorities — the only entities authorized to perform weddings in Israel — are not permitted to marry couples where both partners do not have the same religion; the only way for people of different (or no) faith to marry is by converting to the same religion. However, civil, interfaith, and same-sex marriages entered into abroad are recognized by the state; as a consequence Israeli residents not permitted to marry in Israel sometimes marry overseas, often in nearby Cyprus." Wikipedia

The lack of documentation of recent immigrants from areas such as Eastern Europe has compelled Rabbis to request DNA testing to test for Jewishness.

As this test involves looking at the DNA of the mitochondria, which is passed down from the mother unchanged, it fits the maternal heritage line assessment of a person's Jewishness determined by tradition. This is despite the fact that the vast bulk of the person's DNA may be a complete hodge-podge of mongrel mixings.

However using your definition of Aboriginality they would most certainly not retain their Jewish status. But you seem prepared to cut Jewish people the slack you aren't prepared to grace our indigenous brothers and sisters. Instead you bleat about me putting words into your mouth which is rubbish.

Why do you think that is?

"They have a fundamental right to be recognised as human beings and this small step will recognise it."
This sentence sums up the nonsense this fellow promulgates. His entire argument is based on lies and distortions. Aborigines have always been recognised as human beings. additionally, diseases do not belong to particular civilisations but are organisms in their own right that do not work either for or against particular ethnic groups. There may be a good argument for the "voice". But I haven't heard it yet.

Hinder.

SR,

The major difference is that Judaism is a religion and aboriginality is a race. That a tiny minority of Rabbis in Israel call for DNA testing does not obviate the fact that most Rabbis happily marry people with no Jewish background that have converted.

Technically, it is impossible to convert to aboriginality, but with no defined limit to genetic dilution, it is becoming very difficult to differentiate between those with say 1/32nd of aboriginal blood and those with zero and those being recognised as aboriginal are growing at nearly double the rate of aboriginal births with many stories of well-tanned Europeans becoming aboriginal and getting benefits such as free Uni etc.

With the "voice" and its racially based parliamentary privileges, the gravy train will be adding plenty more carriages.

shadowminister,

Rubbish as usual.

The practice of identifying a person's Jewishness through DNA testing has been going on in Israel for quite a while and the right to do so was recently upheld by their highest court.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-01-24/ty-article/.premium/israeli-high-court-allows-dna-testing-to-prove-judaism/0000017f-e13b-d804-ad7f-f1fb85f90000

Greater numbers of people identifying as Aboriginal has largely come about as the lessening of the stigma of having indigenous heritage gathers pace.

Mitochondrial DNA has about 16,500 base pairs while nuclear DNA has 3.3 billion. Yet decisions on ethnicity are being made on this basis.

SR,

You've cocked it up as usual.

"For example, in the preliminary response, it was argued that the proposal to conduct genetic testing is only made when the rest of the material presented is not sufficient, i.e., in cases in which, without such testing, the person’s Judaism would not be recognized. According to this line of thinking, the proposal to do testing can only benefit the person being tested, whether he accepts the testing or refuses to undergo the test." Essentially it is for those who are completely without documentation.

So essentially it cannot be used to show that someone is not Jewish. People with zero Jewish heritage who convert are considered as Jewish as anyone else.

Also:

In recent years, Israel has allowed for an opening in what has been an air-tight religious affair with a law permitting a domestic partnership when both members of the partnership have no official religious affiliation. In order to qualify for a brit zugiut (domestic partnership):

The partnership must consist of a man and a woman over 18 years of age

Both must be permanent residents in Israel

Both must be registered as not religiously affiliated in the Ministry of the Interior

There must be no degree of family relation between the members of the couple

The couple must not already be married to other partners or married to each other (from a ceremony outside of Israel)