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Zero net emissions = zero net energy : Comments

By Geoff Carmody, published 10/8/2022

Inconvenient truths are rife here. Energy, from any source, fuels every bit of supply. Neither energy nor supply are 'free'.

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The third paragraph I take to be tongue in cheek; the 'advisers' have done none of these things; it's all about ideology, ignorance and religion; chicken entrails.

And, why do most people claiming to know everything still confuse carbon dioxide with carbon!

None of the smartarses will have to take responsibility when the results of their ideology and stupidity occur some time in the future. Climate change is not 'crap', as Tony Abbott announced. The real crap comes from the arrogantly stupid people who think they can 'fix' it by ruining the economy and our lives.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 9:05:45 AM
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Some energy may be free! But the cost of collecting it, astronomical!
Wind turbines, e.g., have to turn for 30 years just to offset the caron created in their construction. Moreover, they're intermittent with averaged peak supply averaging just 15%?

Solar voltaic come with mountains of toxic waste much of which is already in our oceans and for centuries, making wild fish stocks unavailable due to their toxicity. (Mercury, lead, arsenic and cadmium, just to name some. Moreover, only available during daylight hours. Meaning, needing very expensive backups that blow energy price through the proverbial roof. Can anyone believe, steel smelting using huge arc furnances could make affordable steel if power prices topped 50 cents plus PKWH!?

No, not possible or on, or any local manufacture or processing. Can see under such outcomes everything being outsourced offshore. The only solution with a snowflakes chance in hell of avoiding that outcome is the nuclear option. As MSR thorium with power prices as low as 1 cent PKWH. And carbon free to boot! See LFTR in five minutes.

Coal like the steam driven coal-fired trains of yesteryear have had their day! Besides coal and gas prices have made coal and gas the most unaffordable options and any party clinging to them as an option likely to spend years in the political wilderness! Nor is virtually sitting hands or wringing them, bewailing our circumstances while benefiting from the robes of office, on! Governments are elected to solve problems not bewail them because the only real and viable solution is politically unpalatable!

Don't just do something, stand there!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 10 August 2022 9:57:26 AM
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Over one in two global jobs in the wind and solar industry are in China, with less than one half of 1 per cent in Australia.

China controls the manufacturing supply of 80 per cent of the solar panels imported into Australia.

The International Energy Agency announced that it estimates that China will control 95 per cent of all solar manufacturing by 2025.

Net zero will dramatically increase the offshoring of Australian jobs and industry to China. So much so, in fact, that it is a clear and present danger to our energy and national security.

Net zero will dramatically increase the offshoring of Australian jobs and industry to China.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 10:08:19 AM
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No confusion ttbn. Carbon dioxide is the gaseous form of carbon and produced by burning hydro-carbons in the presence of oxygen. This then creates the carbon dioxide, i.e., CO2.

CO2 is a natural fertilizer that promotes plant growth, which is called the greenhouse effect, given it in turn pumps more moisture into the atmosphere which in turn traps more heat. CO2 on its own traps infrared radiant heat and holds it just metres above ground level.

We can extract it and combine it with hydrogen to create endlessly sustainable liquid fuels, lubricants, fertilizers and plastics. See LFTR in five minutes.

Many of these manmade alternative plastics as strong as steel and can be made to look like real wood of every type. Lots of jobs and wealth creating opportunities here. MSR thorium (nuclear power) is the vital and only key!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 10 August 2022 10:16:37 AM
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Net Zero = Stone Age
Posted by Little, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 11:29:48 AM
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You have put all the crucial questions Geoff- good article.

I am an energy and emissions analyst; my website is: cleanenergymodelling.com

I'll posit a few essential actions and in future write an article outlining the answers, which entail radical change to 'western' lifestyles:

- No red meat
- No cars as we know them. E-bicycles and e-scooters need to be ubiquitous; 'kei' EV's - (2 seater 1.5 by 3m) would be biggest personal transport
- Electrify all transport
- Flights to become a 10 yearly, economy class thing if at all
- smaller electrified insulated dwellings with PV and batteries

Yes a carbon tax is needed. On top of that, flights, car licensing and red meats need to be taxed according to the deaths (climate and other) they cause now and in the future.

All these taxes need to be spent on decarbonizing our lifestyle, such as:
- Providing free electric public transport
- Subsidies for electrifying and insulating homes
- Downsizing the huge McMansions - cutting them in half to make two homes
- Green housing developments - with trees, locals shops and low rise units instead of 'grey sprawl'
Posted by Roses1, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 11:50:32 AM
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Hi Roses1, interesting post.

Spoken like a true gravy train rider, profiteer in the global warming scam.

Geoff Carmody has one thing very wrong, we have over double the trees here at white settlement, & increasing quickly according to NASA satellite scans. It is already too expensive to maintain improved pasture in many areas of Oz. Much of south east Queensland, previously improved for grazing is returning to bush, as it is too expensive to maintain it.

This is nasty bush. Not the open woodland that the first explorers found, product of the aboriginals & their fire stick hunting methods, but thick scrub, useless to man or native beast. I now have a resident mob of kangaroos on my property, where none existed 30 years ago. They are here as the 10,000 acre property across the river, previously good improved grazing country is now mostly junk thicket of bush, hard even for kangaroos to penetrate, & with little grass or suitable herbage to feed them.

The owner recently told me he is giving up. His kids are too smart to wanting a farming life, & the rapidly encroaching tree change retirees bitch like hell about smoke if he runs a winter fire through a paddock to reduce the scrub & the big fire risk. The developers are circling, & soon I will probably have another 50,000 neighbors.

Time to go west young man, as the saying goes, me thinks.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 1:25:22 PM
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the results of their ideology and stupidity occur some time in the future.
ttbn,
Just as we're copping Whitlam & Co's results lately !
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 8:08:58 PM
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Hasbeen. Try goats, camels and deer if you want tock reduce woody weed rubbish. As well as reduce fuel load all year round! Once you've had venison back stake, you'll never eat beef again.
Cheers, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 10 August 2022 11:40:01 PM
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Alan B,
I go along with that ! Camels can do a better job than our bureaudroids & academic environmental experts ! Rusa, softened with a good hardwood mallet & barbecued is great tasting.
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 11 August 2022 7:28:54 AM
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Unless you want to be a 24/7 goat herder Alan, goats are just too hard to manage.

A mate of mine wanted to run organic vegetable farming with angora goats on his 400 acre property. While he was jumping through all the hurdles to achieve organic status he developed his goat flock. They were a nightmare.

They had to be locked up in very secure roofed enclosures at night to protect them from wild dog attack, & keeping them in during the day was very difficult. He started with dog wire fences, buried 6" deep, but they dug that out, lay on their side & wriggled out under the wire. At least they left some wool behind on the wire.

He then ran 4 strand of electric fencing from near ground to near fence height. He had to buy a special attachment for his slasher to keep the grass short, or it & weeds from shorting the lower strand out. This worked until they had grown good fleeces, which insulated them, allowing them to wriggle out again under it all.

Another mate bought 3 sheep to mow the grass in his 5 acre house paddock, where all his farming implements were stored in rows. Worked, not a weed to be seen, & everything sitting in a very short lawn. The only problem was his wife who complained she did not have a flower or shrub left, all eaten out. Even his mango trees were eaten off to the height a sheep could reach standing on it's hind legs.

I have seen reports of goats working well if guarded by shepherds, but I'll give it a miss thanks. My 20 odd bunch of kangaroos can be a nuisance, breaking fences, particularly electric ones, but they are keeping some rubbish down with no management problems.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 11 August 2022 2:33:55 PM
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Interesting relationship being made between NZE and population?

Australians and the Anglosphere need to get over their ZPG opinions on population growth and supposed negatives, propagated by NGOs and influencers linked to 'Tanton Network'. Latter is deceased white nationalist John 'passive eugenics' Tanton who was with Paul 'Population Bomb' Ehrlich at the fossil fueled Rockefeller Bros. & Ford Foundations' ZPG late '70s, making 'immigration' an issue.

In fact while the UNPD constantly revises its forecasts downwards most credible demographers see peak mid century then decline; the latter is more difficult to manage than growth i.e. decline in working age cohort but more retirees/pensioners, impact on budgets and workforce.

Provided transition away from carbon/fossil fuels continues, population does not need 'control'.
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 15 August 2022 9:46:40 AM
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One politician I watched on TV said it will cost them $90billion to replace the hook ups to premises,
to connect all the renewables they plan. They are literally replacing out electric wires and electricity transporters
with a new $90billion, hook up to renewables plan.

A cheaper more efficient way to do it,one that reduced the amount of carbon production in America dramatically,
although the media never mentions that, is to provide gas as the biggest source of power and energy.
Pr Trump made America self sufficient in power and energy. They didn't have to worry about big world prices or buying energy off
Potential enemies like Russia or Iran.

President Biden shut down the gas pipelines in America now he's over begging for supplies off Iran at triple the price.
Biden also took, oil and gas supplies from America to Germany and NATO and handed the sales back to Putin.
Thus financing Putin's war.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 4:12:03 PM
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