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China's arrogance opens a window of opportunity : Comments

By Jeffrey Wall, published 3/6/2022

China mistakenly believed that having delivered a secret agreement with the Solomon Islands with ease it could do so country by country across the Pacific.

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Wong is certainly an improvement on Payne, who should never have been a politician, let alone a Minister: too 'shy' to talk to Australians, let alone actual foreigners.

But sport to engage with the region? Come on! We are not dealing with children. We might as well offer them beads and blankets.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 3 June 2022 9:20:01 AM
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While one can and does agree with the general tenor of the article, one also knows we are not a bottomless pit that is filled with foreign aid. Our continuing aid must help those who want to help themselves with hand-ups not ever more handouts. Chief among those is self-sufficient energy production that provides power for the next 100 years without refueling! That'll support new emerging cottage industries.

That for mine, means mass produced reactors in factories here at home! As SMR MSR thorium.

Every nation on earth has some thorium that they can recover in their shoreline sand or as mineable deposits.

Underground transmission via cling wrap thin under road Graphene, will ensure no future storm will wipe out electricity supply as well as reduce transmission and distribution losses!

China is the world's largest carbon producer with myriad coal-fired power stations! And that level of carbon production will ensure many Pacific islands will sink beneath the waves, even as she seeks new military bases on those that have some mountainous country!

Something that needs hammering home as we do something real to try and prevent some of our family drowning as the oceans rise due to climate change ice melts!

If we stop mining coal and selling to the world? And something forced on us not too far ahead in time! We will need to replace that export with something else.

That something else is super cheap energy transmitted via graphene cored undersea cables, doable if done off budget that could produce way better than coal, volumous incomes for us, rather than myriad price gouging, tax avoiding, profit repatriating, foreign investors! Think about that! Or just think!

Embrace change now or have it forced on us at the worst possible time, economically! Business as usual won't cut it! Nor will selling the proverbial sheep station to foreign investors at fire sale prices!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 3 June 2022 11:30:45 AM
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Correction >Will wipe out should read as will not wipe out<
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 3 June 2022 11:33:54 AM
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Just about every pacific island has ideal sights & rainfall to power all their needs with hydro power, nuclear not needed.

Have you noticed Alan that we have considerable difficulty keeping the short extension lead to Tasmania working, as does the UK beeping their very short life line to French nuclear power running. Under sea cables carrying as much energy as we currently ship to Asia as coal is a pipe dream, at least for many decades.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 3 June 2022 10:21:07 PM
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If I were a cartoonist, here is the picture:

A fat Pacific Islander laying on his back in the shade of a palm tree. In his mouth is a huge funnel clenched in his teeth. Standing beside him, short butch hair cut and draped in a rainbow flag around her shoulder, is Penny Wong.
Penny Wong is industriously tipping generous streams of $A into the large end of the funnel.

Surrounding her are a cortège of Australian politicians attended to by a long line of bureaucracy leading across the sea onto the Australian coast and further across hill and dale and finally concluding through the front door of treasury.

On each side of the gravy train of bureaucrats, are camped scruffy hordes of beggars in tents, and behind them across an expansion of car parks, we see a Coles and Woolworths supermarket. At the front doors leaning casually against the glass, two fat industrialist types, fitted out in expensive suits, the CEO’s, smoking cigars and grinning back towards the hungry cold and homeless hordes of the dispossessed.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 4 June 2022 7:17:23 AM
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Hasbeen, I was a science assitant inside the power industry. You?Graphene is 200 times stronger than steel and is a superconductor. If the cable to Tas was graphene cored the problems referred to would not exist.

As for rainfall and hydro that probably works for the larger islands with suitable topography, i.e., sufficient fall and places suitable for dams.

I'm only referring to those islands that currently rely almost exclusively on diesel.

Back to that cable. We should replace former shut down coal fired power with our own MSR thorium and then enjoy prices as low as 1 cent PKWH.

Instead of miles and miles of transmission lines and problematic cables, place SMR as MSR thorium in the villages and suburbs. And given the inherent passive safety a better solution than the ubicutous transformer stations.

Hydro power requires miles and miles of transmission lines and transformer station that together can add up to around 75% transmission and distribution losses. Losses the average mug consumer pays for. Ditto prices forced on us by overseas situations. Prices we only pay due to foreign control inside our energy providers.

We are going to electrify our transport industry! That being so, why not power it with something we own and at prices we control rather then tax avoiding, price gouging, profit repatriating foreigners. As we try to cope with around a trillion dollars of debt!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 4 June 2022 10:46:24 AM
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China's economy is in a freefall, yet here they are handing out $ms.

That's socialism for you..
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 5 June 2022 12:35:11 PM
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China's economy is in a freefall,
shadowminister,
No free-fall there, it's on a Bungy strap. Just you wait till it is on the way back up ! It's the West that is on the way down without a parachute !
China's greatest asset is its peoples' discipline ! The West is precariously held together by greed !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 5 June 2022 4:03:15 PM
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We have all sorts of inherited problems. We have a, not suitable for use, gas supply lever we can't use! Even if we pull it? Doesn't kick in until next January!

The election of the teals means there's no prospect of any new coal-fired power stations. Burying CO2 is a pipedream given the cost of the pipelines needed!

Manufacturing industries will go broke months at today's energy prices!

The parliamentary party is controlled by powerful unions who hold the wallet. None more powerful than the CMFU. Who currently have a membership of around 12,000.



If we are to rely on renewables? Then it needs to be huge broad scale solar thermal that can retain useful heat for up to a week! That heat retained in super large vacuum vessels using molten salt!

Something the size of forty hectares arid inland wasteland of solar reflectors/heat sinks will power Australia. A thousand hectares, the rest of the world? Doable if the transmission is via graphene cored cables.

I can't imagine how many trillions such a super power project would cost? Suffice to say the same or a better power outcome that depended exclusively on safe, clean, cheapest MSR thorium is doable for less than ten percent of taxpayer funds!

We own 40% of the world's thorium and at least one good commercial deposit of graphene with more available if we value add our iron ore industry!

Plus we have all the rare earths needed for battery manufacture for the electrification of transport! Leveraging foreign money for any of this does SFA for us. If we don't understand by now, it is foreign investment in our economy/stoke energy provision is the reason why we are currently rooted! We never will!

Think, we were once the third wealthiest nation on the planet and a creditor one at that! Idealogorical imperitives driven, selling the allergorical farm has placed were we are now Time to bite the bullet and go back to what made us the third wealthiest nation on the planet! If that means a Sovietized energy industry? So be it!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 5 June 2022 4:05:38 PM
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One of the worst mistakes our generation is committing is the practice of trying to satisfy present (utterly unwarranted) needs without a thought of the near future & the crumbs we leave for them by using it all up now !
Yes, technology is greater than ever however, it also uses resources faster than warranted.
If we want to prevent people from becoming food & energy for future populations then steps must be taken now to reduce population. For that we already have the technology to achieve that in a humane way-birth control ! Far more humane than letting people & mainly children die in agony & way cheaper than welfare.
Fewer people will give us a better chance to co-exist in harmony !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 5 June 2022 6:37:44 PM
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http://techthelead.com/harvard-makes-breakthrough-in-high-temperature-superconductors-as-they-stack-trilayer-graphene/

http://grapheneindustry.org.au/2019/08/room-temperature-superconductivity-search/

http://physicsworld.com/a/squeezed-graphene-becomes-a-superconductor/

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aav1910

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220603124901.htm

http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.128.047001

http://futuristspeaker.com/technology-trends/building-the-worlds-first-graphene-superconductor-power-grid/

http://link.springer.com/journal/10948/volumes-and-issues/35-4

http://future.fandom.com/wiki/Superconducting_Batteries_(Terra_Futura)

http://scitechdaily.com/new-li-ion-superconductor-enables-safe-high-performance-all-solid-state-batteries/

I don't see the evidence of a graphene energy solution here- doesn't mean there isn't one- I suppose.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 5 June 2022 7:52:21 PM
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Hey Alan B,
What do you make of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TerraPower
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 5 June 2022 11:57:51 PM
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Armchair Critic- Thanks kudos. Intriguing premise.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 6 June 2022 2:15:43 AM
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To reuse discarded material would be the ultimate power source !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 6 June 2022 6:31:08 AM
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This whole feud with China is about one thing and one thing only.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biden-china-idUSKBN2BH2ZE

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden on Thursday said he would prevent China from passing the United States to become the most powerful country in the world, vowing to invest heavily to ensure America prevails in the race between the world’s two largest economies."

MONEY.

It's not about Taiwan, or Hong Kong, or Uyghurs or the South China Sea or the people of Tibet, NO.

The US takes down anyone, who even has the potential to rival it financially.
It can't beat countries any other way, China's building a belt and road initiative, they just put high speed rail in Laos, America doesn't have that, its decaying and falling apart.

US can't compete on a fair playing field, so it instead tries to undermine any destroy anyone else with the potential to rival it.

That's the truth.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 6 June 2022 3:23:25 PM
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You all need to wake up, you're all being played for fools.

The Real Reason America is Scared of China Global Expansion
http://youtu.be/flL6ZcS_czs

Skip to 38 mins in for discussion on China
http://youtu.be/2JDk8x0pIdU
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 6 June 2022 4:27:44 PM
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Sounds like they take a pipe of U-238 as a hollow fuel rod and let the reaction proceed down the tube over 40 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TerraPower

"TerraPower has chosen traveling wave reactors (TWRs) as its primary technology. The major benefit of such reactors is high fuel utilization in a manner that does not require nuclear reprocessing and could eventually eliminate the need to enrich uranium.[9] TWRs are designed to convert typically non-fissile fertile nuclides such as U-238 into fissile nuclides like Pu-239 in-situ and then shift the power from the highly burned region to the freshly bred region, as an integrated breeder reactor. This allows the benefits of a closed fuel cycle without the expense and proliferation-risk of enrichment and reprocessing plants typically required. Enough fuel for between 40 and 60 years of operation could be in the reactor from the beginning. The reactor could be buried below ground, where it could run for an estimated 100 years.[10] TerraPower described the concept of its main reactor design as a "Generation IV, liquid sodium-cooled fast reactor"."

This doesn't sound as safe as the Thorium decay cycle as the products of the decay appear to be safer than Plutonium but it's interesting technology
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 6 June 2022 9:12:43 PM
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Its interesting that Bill Gates runs it.
Watch those links above and this one too, you'll learn so much.
I learned heaps digging stuff up in the last day or so.

Blinken Lays out Washington's Anti-China Agenda
http://youtu.be/IGCIg4BbxQU
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 6 June 2022 11:23:50 PM
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Indi,

This financial crisis is deeply structural and one that China is not just going to bounce back from. The housing bubble has crashed taking with it most of China's citizen's investments. The stock market is falling, unemployment is rising and government revenue is shrinking. This combined with the flight of foreign companies and the crash of the Chinese bond markets is not something the CCP is going to walk off.

The predictions are that China is going to follow the same path as Japan in 1990 with small or zero growth for a decade especially as the population rapidly ages. China is at the zenith of its power and is no match for the US now or probably this century.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 4:08:15 AM
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shadowminister,
Perhaps but do not dismiss the resolve of a people to whom discipline & pride is more important than money. To the Chinese money is a great benefit, to the Westerners it's everything !
There are many Westerners among the Chinese but they're heavily outnumbered.
By Westerner I don't mean white, I mean people who adapted Western mentality !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 6:25:22 AM
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Indy,

Your characterisation of the Chinese is a wildly inaccurate stereotype. The Chinese are very interested in money and the level of corruption shows that they very much put themselves first.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 1:02:18 PM
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shadowminister,
You seem to base your characterisation of the average Chinese citizen on the character of the average Western bureaucrat mentality !
The Chinese mentality regarding diligence blows the average Westerner out of the water.
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 6:08:54 PM
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Armchair Critic- I'll check out the reactor video with Bill Gates- Thanks. I looked at the Blinken video- he seems far left Marxist- as well as the other two video links that you forwarded recently.

http://youtu.be/flL6ZcS_czs
http://youtu.be/2JDk8x0pIdU
http://youtu.be/IGCIg4BbxQU

Jackson Hinkle
Glenn Greenwald
Brian Berletic- aka- Tony Cartalucci

If they are Marxist I can understand their support of Chinese Dengism.
But it's good to know what the other team are up to.. but...
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 6:34:21 PM
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Canem Malum,
Cheers for the links, self explanatory !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 8:30:08 PM
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Indy,

I have based my assessment on the Chinese living in China.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 6:58:35 AM
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Hey Canem Malum,
I can confirm that Jackson Hinkle is.
Not sure about the others, I mainly just make my opinions based on whether or not their arguments hold merit.

"Jackson is a leftist, anti-imperialist. Marxist-Leninist based out of Los Angeles California"

I never really looked into this topic much (Marxist-Leninist), and it seems I need to.
I remember something about 'bourgeoisie and the proletariat', but I'm not well versed on it.
If you have any good links for me to get a relatively quick overview that would be appreciated, otherwise I'll try to find some info and look into it.

I may not be knowledgeable on everything, but I'm not necessarily dishonest.
I'm fairly sure you should all know I support the right mixture of socialism and capitalism, and not one or the other outright.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 9:43:12 PM
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Armchair Critic said- "I never really looked into this topic much (Marxist-Leninist), and it seems I need to. I remember something about 'bourgeoisie and the proletariat', but I'm not well versed on it.
If you have any good links for me to get a relatively quick overview that would be appreciated, otherwise I'll try to find some info and look into it."

Answer- Thanks for your question Armchair Critic. I'll try to find some better information for you- but I hope the items below are a start. I try to use original sources. Youtube sometimes has short versions of content.

Jordan Peterson has "some" good information to get you thinking- depending on the topic- but it might take a while till you get the juice- he talks about Dostoevsky (The Demons), Solzhenitsyn (The Gulag Archipelago), Yuri Bezmenov (The Harvard Address)-

Try some of these-

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jordan+Peterson+on+socialism

Peterson's debates with Sam Harris are interesting too- but a bit off topic- one of the classic debates is with feminist Cathy Newman.

Politics and Marxist-Leninism is a little complicated requiring contextual history of political ideology- I'm not an expert- I try to see the bones and this helps to flesh out the context of particular situations. All opinions tend to be fashioned through the lense of socio-political context- sometimes it's hard to see through the smoke to discern the view point of the author but the words and constructs that they use are a good clue. Some of the tactics below are used by different ideologies but the stamp of communism can usually be determined. In history society has moved from Tribalism to Feudalism to Industrialism to Liberalism/ Socialism but vestiges of preceding stages have co-existed- partly the reason for the "evolution" of society is because of population growth- but evolution doesn't have to be in a positive direction. Mile posts such as the- seizing of church land late 1500's, English Civil War/ Locke Liberalism/ People's Government (1660), Industrial Revolution/ Rise of the middle class (1800's Manchester), French Revolution/ Democratic Revolution (1800's), Paris Commune/ Marx/Engel's (1860's), Russian Revolution (1919 Feb/ Oct), Chinese Revolution.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 9 June 2022 1:44:36 AM
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Common themes in Marxism-Leninism-Socialism- some of my references may be inaccurate- this is just a few of the communist concepts that keep popping up in social opinion and dialogue- often presented as authoritative fact. As others come to be familiar with communist tactics they are bound to use them too as part of their tool kit.

Equality- but this is their version of equality without the Westminster- Principle of separation of powers. And with the academics ruling the people under enlightened principles. A corollary to academic rule is a mistrust of the population to make decisions for themselves. Bob Whitacker (Book- Why Johnny Can't Think- America's Professor Priesthood) talked about this.
Permanent Revolution- from memory a Trotskyist idea- this can be compared to the rolling strike.
Tabula Rasa/ Blank Slate- destruction of traditional societies and cultures and their history due to the view that these are imposed from the elites and blind the people to their slavery- false consciousness.
"From those with the ability to those with the need"- Ayn Rand (Hebrew/ proto-Libertarian- Free Trader) talks about this a fair bit in her criticism- she wrote a SciFi book- "Atlas Shrugged"- 1000 pages- it was made into a three part series of movies in 2003 (Rand died in 1981). This book is worth reading but some parts are difficult- available on Librevox as an audio book.
Dengism- the idea of allowing capitalism within a communist overlay.
Mao- talk about the evil landlords rather than the evil capitalists- as the people can relate to landlords better than capitalists. Grass roots/ astro-turfing/ gas-lighting.
Stalin- "thank you Stalin for my wonderful childhood" Propaganda Posters depicting children with Stalin. Mao had similar propaganda.
Trotsky- Total destruction of capitalism is more important than the lives of the starving Russians. Universal Communism rather than Russian Communism.
Stalin- thoughts are more dangerous than guns so why should we let people think.
Recently one way to control thought and speech is through political correctness over free speech.
Britain has long been thought of as a key road block to communism.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 9 June 2022 1:47:18 AM
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There seems to be some use of psychological and propaganda tactics in Socialism (these were invented by Freud and Bernays).
There is a lot of information on Wikipedia's Socialism project- but it's hard going- try to build up a picture rather than trying to understand everything- it's easy to become confused. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Communism doesn't believe in private ownership or private companies.
Mao- Village square struggle sessions. Strike and fade warfare. Using children against their parents. Flipping the social hierarchy.
Marx- Communism is inevitable- James Burnham (Managerialism) reformed Trotskyist and CIA employee disputed this.
Negative Freedom- Known as "negative freedom" (Mill)- corollary is responsibility and discipline is deprocated- in Aristotle's view "positive freedom" is based on principled discipline.
Marcuse- Free sexuality- Trotskyite/ Hebrew- Father of the new left.
Liberalism- seems to favour a gossip culture rather than a restrained one. Though communism is totalitarian about speech once implemented.
Liberalism- is embodied as so called Left Liberalism (free society) and Right Liberalism (free trade)
Marx- saw Liberalism as one of the stages along the path to Communism- implemented by useful idiots- moderates. One of the problems in society it's sometimes difficult to judge situations because every one is subtly different- so how can a judge or policy maker make decisions that are fair to stakeholders. It seems that Marxists see this as an opportunity to bias the system in their favour by applying pressure at appropriate points. "Overton Window" is the window of acceptable dialogue at a particular time and place- this can be moved over time by ideological pressure- for example the Labor Party would have had a similar political stance to One Nation in the 1950's.
Entryism- Communist's create multiple organisations and subvert existing organisations.
Anarchism is closely allied with Socialism and Communism- Antifa is an explicit example of this in their flag.
Orwell’s 1984 and Animal Farm are good. Both in movie form.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 9 June 2022 1:48:51 AM
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