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Is a serious debate on our approach to regional security possible? : Comments

By Jeffrey Wall, published 14/4/2022

For too long it has suited the convenience of both major parties to adopt a

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Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 18 April 2022 12:23:00 AM
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Alan B in deep discussion with his ghosted alter ego; caught again rhosty.

Try a bit of honesty AB, you might find that innovation refreshing.
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Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 18 April 2022 6:58:15 AM
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Our major problem is we're a nation of naysayers and it can't be done. Were we to face a prospect of our generation building the snowy mountains scheme? Naysayers like hasbeen or diver would tell us, it can't be done here.

We don't build planes, but during WW11 we started to build them only to mothball production by virture of others telling us, no you can't.

Dan for obvious reasons, does not want a armed and self reliant Oz. And calls me a liar for proposing we do just that! And given recent events and China's hostility we just need to crack were we can.

If we can and do build ships, trucks, trains and bushmasters and armed drones! It stands to reason we can build more if we remove the current impediments to local manufacture.

The first being energy costs that are higher than the wages bill. The second front loaded taxes and the third is red tape to the point we're strangled by it. the forth is state competition and their constructed impediments, almost as if we were seven different nations all competing for a slice of the cake?

Talk about shooting oneself in the economic foot!

Lastly we are hamstringed by divisive unions and our only way to ensure they cannot "eff it up" is via cooperative capitalism, i.e., co-ops.

Co-ops have no truck with unions and are far and away the most efficient and cost effective production paradigm. Only recalcitrant pollies (in bed with unions) prevent that very outcome. And means that a few dozen union heavies decide our future and direction! This has to stop! WE need to move away from just digging up rocks and selling them to China. To at the very least, value adding all our export commodities!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 18 April 2022 10:58:02 AM
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I'm surprised WPH&S still allows to have armed forces considering there's an element of risk to get a scratch !
Posted by individual, Monday, 18 April 2022 11:25:12 AM
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Individual- WPH&S (Work Place Health & Safety)

Answer- Well the HR people are probably working for the Communists- the People's Commissar's of our age- classic piece of double speak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissar

From 1917 the Bolshevik administration, like the Provisional Government before it, relied on experienced (ex-Tsarist) army-officers whose loyalty it distrusted. Trotsky summarised the solution to the issue: "We took a military specialist and we put on his right hand and on his left a commissar [...]."[1] During the early stages of the usage of commissars, no military order might be issued which did not have the prior approval of both the commander and the commissar.

Many lower-level political officers never received the same military training as commanding officers. Prior to becoming a commissar an individual had to be registered as a communist for a minimum of three years and had to attend specific political institutions, many of which never offered any military-oriented training.

Other Communist-bloc militaries also adopted systems of using political commissars. Mulvenon and Yang (2002) report that the role of the political commissar in the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China has become one resembling that of an HR specialist.[2]
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 18 April 2022 1:06:35 PM
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It is all right believing in Flash Gorden adventures Alan, as long as it is only in comic books. In real life gaining experience in weapon building will end up with a lot of dead men, & has done so as the necessary knowledge was gained.

With subs we don't even make a suitable steel for our old subs, let alone the modern stuff we want. To develop a steel capable of handling deep diving subs, in the very cold water they will encounter took many mistakes. Perhaps the Yanks would give or sell us the technology, but perhaps not. Without it the things are easy prey.

If we want a defense force, rather than an attack force, what we need is very large number of infantry level guided anti tank missiles rather than lots of tanks. We don't need lots of tanks, this is obvious from the Ukraine. However we need lots of them, not just the capacity to make more.

The same goes for long range cruise missiles, & ICBMs. We meed a large expensive stock of the things, to stop an invading force before it gets here. We could consider them damn good value if we ultimately chuck them out unused. If never used their deterrent value would be proven.

Playing games trying to develop a pie in the sky death ray is fine, once you have real time weapons to defend the country.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 18 April 2022 3:01:00 PM
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