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Lithuanians organise for freedom and reach out to Russian mothers : Comments

By Zivile Kropaite, published 10/3/2022

We were born just when our country took independence back from the USSR. We are called 'The generation of independence'.

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There's a poem attributed to Martin Niemoller,
a German Lutheran pastor, who was initially a
supporter of Hitler, but as he witnessed the
events in Hitler's Germany he began to strongly
oppose Hitler's regime. He was imprisoned twice
and narrowly escaped execution to survive the
war and in 1950 published the following poem:

"First they came for the Socialists and I did not
speak out - because i was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists and I did not
speak out - because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak
for me."

In just a few lines of verse this poem encapsulates the
reason the whole world should strongly protest the invasion
of Ukraine.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 13 March 2022 1:00:38 PM
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Martin Niemöller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

He was awarded the Lenin Peace Prize in December 1966.

And Lenin did a lot for peace. Sarcasm.

It sounds as if a lot of what he did and said after the war was because he was afraid. He said that he questioned himself when he was in Nazi custody for 8 years- this probably did have an impact. The power that was lined up against him after the war must have been intimidating and overwhelming to his sense of reality.

"Do it to Julia!" Orwell "1984"

I notice that Foxy quotes this poem a lot- not complaining-
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 13 March 2022 3:55:02 PM
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If the Ukrainian women won't fight for the Ukraine why should we? Should we fight on the Ukraine's behalf based on Traditionalist principles that women shouldn't have to fight- because the Socialists and Communists in Australia (that say they believe in quote "equality") tell us to do so?

Traditionalists should look after themselves- they shouldn't support those that have rejected and are destroying Traditionalism.

By omission it appears that Foxy agrees with at least some of what I've said about women- Kudos Foxy for your cautious support.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 13 March 2022 4:03:49 PM
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The Ukrainian President Volodymk Zelensky has echoed
Winston Churchill's famous speech "we shall fight on
the beaches" in his address to the House of Commons.
Winston Churchill gave his speech in the same chamber
in 1940 where he vowed "we shall fight until the end,
at sea, in the air. We will continue fighting for our
land whatever the cost. We will fight in the forests,
in the fields, on the shores, in the streets."

And the people of Ukraine are doing precisely that.

And quoting Shakespeare Mr Zelensky said the question
for Ukraine is "to be or not to be. It's definitely -
YES to be."

This is the first time a foreign leader has directly
addressed MPs in the Commons.

A truly inspiring speech. There are also many quotes
about allowing evil to prevail:

http://quotemaster.org/Good+Men+To+Do+Nothing

At all times, vigilance is the price of liberty.
We must remain vigilant because while it is the Ukraine
today, it can easily be some other sovereign nation
later on. The measure of our society over history is
our fidelity to our principles. We must remind our
people and our governments to remain faithful to those
principles - or otherwise, our society, like so many in
the past, will be swept on the ash heap of history.

Stand with Ukraine - do not allow evil to prosper.

There's a Russian proverb that says - "Don't! Don't dig
up the past! If you dig up the past - you will lose an eye."

However the proverb goes on to say - "Forget the past and
you shall lose both eyes!"
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 14 March 2022 10:16:12 AM
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