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Innate warmongering: seeing conflict in Ukraine as inevitable : Comments
By Binoy Kampmark, published 23/2/2022The intoxicant that is war tends to besot its promoters, however balanced they might claim to be.
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Posted by Macedonian advocacy, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 11:14:58 AM
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I quite like the nuanced assessment of the situation given by Tony Kevin in an essay titled Ukraine Shrinks Again (the March of Folly) featured on the Pearls & Irritations website.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 11:27:52 AM
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Meanwhile why not also check out two essays (and much more too) featured on the always excellent The Saker (Stop the War on Russia) website
http://thesaker.is The Birth of Baby Twins The Day Russia's Patience Ran Out by the author of the Club Orlov website Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 12:29:01 PM
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seriously, Binoy. You are a joke.
Tell us how the world should operate. You would not have a clue. Posted by Chris Lewis, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 1:06:38 PM
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Russia, especially under Putin, is not a place I would like to live in.
Given a choice between Russia and Ukraine, surely I would prefer to live in Ukraine. But, the people of Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk chose otherwise, they want to be either independent or Russian, not Ukrainian. Is their decision foolish? quite likely, but it is their right to be fools. It would be duplicitous if we on the one hand tell these people that, like it or not, they must be Ukrainian while on the other hand support (as we should) the choice of the people of Tibet, Hong Kong and Taiwan to be free of China! There should be no one rule for the people we like and another for the people we don't: people of any region, large or small, should be able to choose for themselves whether to be independent or to join together with some neighbouring regions into a larger entity. Thus my unpleasant conclusion is that SO FAR, Russia has done nothing wrong by recognising and entering, by invitation, the two provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk, thus so far, the sanctions on Russia seem premature. Obviously, if Russia proceeds (or already proceeded) further to invade other regions of Ukraine, then that would be a terrible crime which warrants every condemnation, sanctions and even war. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 11:56:18 PM
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Hey daffy Duck,
Thanks for the links to those articles. They were both good reading. "Finally, Western leaders may not realize this right away (they seem to be in a rather sorry state mentally) but it seems likely that they will eventually realize that 22.02.2022 was the day their bs finally stopped working. The idea of them spreading freedom and democracy rather than death and destitution (as evidenced by the Ukraine, on top of a log list of other countries they have “liberated” and “democratized”) is beyond preposterous. The idea that the US is a global hegemon and can dictate terms to everyone is dead as dead can be. NATO unity is just a couple of meaningless words on a piece of paper. Talking trash, such as demanding that Russia fulfill the terms of the Minsk agreements (according to which it has zero obligations) has no effect. It may take a little longer for them to realize that imposing additional sanctions on Russia is a really excellent way for them to pay $200 a barrel for oil while freezing in the dark. And at some point they will also realize that they have no choice but to grant the security guarantees that Russia has demanded because they have already done so, in speech and in writing, and weaseling out of their security commitments is not an option. It will be quite a steep learning curve for them and there is a question as to whether they can learn at all. The only ability they have demonstrated is for repeating the same litany of lies over and over again. Having been purpose-bred to carry water for banking and corporate interests, they may not be capable of the required level of rational thought. And that raises another question: What are the people in the West going to do about them?" Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 24 February 2022 2:20:37 AM
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It is ordinary people, the environment and democracies that suffer when the war propaganda drowns out sensible alternatives. Sadly, Australia's political elites on both side of politics were all to ready to support the West's declaration of Kosovo as an independent state against the UN Conventions, international laws and the sovereignty of Serbia.