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Trying to duck the climate fight has made the next election harder for the Coalition : Comments

By Graham Young, published 2/11/2021

They have ducked the fight, and now find themselves exposed in the run-up to a federal election to the taunts of their friends, as well as their foes.

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Typo

The isotopes from Thorium CAN'T be used to make nuclear weapons
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:10:01 AM
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shadowminister,

There might be all sorts of good reasons to wish MSR was available. But at the moment there is no working model for it and the only working model built was an environmental disaster.

"getting a new design accepted by regulators is so hard and expensive that such a new design will take a while to get accepted"

That isn't the problem at all. The Chinese likewise can see that if they can get a viable MSR power plant going it'd be a godsend for their economy and future. So they've been throwing money at it for a decade now and still haven't got anywhere near getting a viable model going. They are hoping to have a small thorium/salt reactor going by 2024 to see if it is viable.

But even they aren't holding out too much hope that a commercial plant will be operating before 2030, even if all the problems are resolved.

So talking about it now as though the only thing holding it back are regulatory road-blocks is just wrong.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 2:44:55 PM
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Oh, well done, Aries54. Arrive on OLO out of cyberspace, make some sneery one liner comment inferring that I am completely wrong, then disappear back into cyberspace without bothering with a reasoned argument explaining why I am wrong. Fairly typical behavior from the young socialite socialists, who just know they must be right because the yuppee peer group they identify with requires absolute commitment to their dogma, so who needs to argue rationally?

I am sure that your virtue signaling was noted by your peer group. Who needs arguments backed up by logic, reason and facts when simply prostrating yourself to the chardonnay socialist ideological position is all that is required to be a card carrying member of the "superior" caste?

Come back and have a go when you grow up, do some reading, and develop a brain.

I regard hit and run artists such as yourself as easy meat.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 3:26:03 PM
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Groan.

I get that the Libs and Nats are captured by fossil fuel interests and I get naked self interest, but why of earth would the ordinary pleb be fighting this?

I mean it's simple, if Australia doesn't step up on this issue then other countries will penalise our exports by placing a carbon tariff on them.

Keep in mind Australians have one of the highest proportions of homes which have solar panels mitigating at least some of their fossil fuel energy consumption.

It's been a while since I have run a comb through a climate skeptics article so let's have a tease through the first couple of links.

Roy Spencer's graphs:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2021/10/uah-global-temperature-update-for-september-2021-0-25-deg-c/

Compared to this one:
http://web.archive.org/web/20201208022111/https://www.drroyspencer.com/

Yup. The baseline has been shifted up purely to lessen the visual impact of rising temperatures.

Sure there was a qualifier in the first:

“REMINDER: We have changed the 30-year averaging period from which we compute anomalies to 1991-2020, from the old period 1981-2010.”

Agenda feeding at its best.

Next is a story about the reef by the Australian behind a paywall. From the title that it is an opinion piece.

If however you read the science there is a different story:

“The majority of recovery was driven by increases in the fast-growing Acropora corals, which have proliferated across many GBR reefs. Once established, these corals enter an exponential growth phase which rapidly increases measures of percent hard coral cover, as documented in this year’s results. However, the fast growth comes at a cost, the skeleton is less dense than other slower growing corals, making them particularly susceptible to wave damage, like that generated by strong winds and tropical cyclones.
They are also highly susceptible to coral bleaching and are the preferred prey for crown-of-thorns starfish. This means that large increases in hard coral cover can quickly be negated by disturbances on reefs where Acropora predominate.”
So biodiversity severely impacted and an opportunistic coral species has proliferated over a climate induced nuking of the reef.”

I could go on but it is boring. Enough already.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 3:39:38 PM
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To Alon B.

If you knew anything about the fight against tobacco, which you obviously do not, you would know that the tobacco companies regularly trotted out scientists who would claim that their research, paid for by the tobacco companies, could not find any causal link between tobacco and lung cancer.

Then we have today Dr.Fauci and those virologists who backed up the article printed in Lancet, that anyone who thought that the Wuhan virus came from a lab was a conspiracy theorist. And that those who supported this conspiracy were arguing against science. Why? Because the Wuhan lab leak had the potential to do to scientific viral research what Chernobyl did for the nuclear power industry.

However much I admire science, I know from my reading of history that no organization created by humans can ever be beyond reproach. As soon as any organization is considered above reproach, you can bet that some person with no moral compass will take advantage of that.

The motivation of the scientists who sold their souls to the tobacco companies and todays climate Scientists is the same. Self interest.
Both were in need of research funds and they would do anything to get a sponsor.

Alarmists claim that 97% of climate scientists agree with HIGW. Well, 97% of ABC staff say that the ABC is unbiased. And if you are one of the 3% of ABC staff who think that the ABC is biased than you had better keep your mouth shut, of whenever there is a job cutback at the ABC that 3% will lose their jobs. And the ABC can then claim that 100% of their staff think that the ABC is unbiased. The same goes for climate scientists.

The Earth warms and cools, warms and cools, in roughly 1000 year cycles. We are in just another warming cycle which just happens to be right on schedule. And every climate scientist knows it. But they need ignorant people such as your good self to propagate their self interested lies because they know you will never base your opinions on any research
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 3:49:47 PM
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Alan I am easily swayed. Just give me a single bit of proof that CO2 can do what the com men claim, & I will become a believer.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 4:42:32 PM
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