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Trying to duck the climate fight has made the next election harder for the Coalition : Comments

By Graham Young, published 2/11/2021

They have ducked the fight, and now find themselves exposed in the run-up to a federal election to the taunts of their friends, as well as their foes.

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Very honest article, however the logic of voting for Labor at the end of it, is a white flag of surrender.
That move only entrenches the duopoly by giving the rest of us more of the same.

We need a revolution in politics.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 6:10:43 AM
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As a person gets older you can only shake your head in pitying wonder at how entire generations of younger people seem to have been brainwashed into accepting ideologies guaranteed to utterly destroy the very prosperity and peace that preceding generations had worked and died for to create.

I think it gets down to the ancient Chinese proverb, "Third generation no good."

That is, generations who inherit the wealth created by preceding generations have no idea of it's value and simply accept it as a natural law of nature. Then they either immerse themselves in profligacy while at the same time cultivating the pose of virtue signaling to alleviate their guilt at never having to do much to earn their legacy.

Human Induced Climate Change is the biggest con since the idea of racial equality, or the so called stolen generations. It would take no more than a day or two on Youtube listening with an open mind to both sides of the argument, to figure out which side is obviously telling the truth and which side is lying it's head off.

For thirty years the alarmists have predicted immanent doom and gloom and nothing that these fortune tellers ever came to pass. Undeterred, they simply push the date for the End of Times ever further back. But it is always just around the corner.

When those Taliban morons blew up the 2000 year old Babiyan Buddhas because Mohammad decreed that no physical representations of life was acceptable, it amazed me that anyone could be that stupid. Still, we expect that from that bunch of uneducated, superstitious, illiterate religious nut cases. What we do not expect is that there are supposedly "intelligent" people in the west who think exactly like the Taliban.

Anybody with even half a brain can figure out that "net zero" emissions is a physical impossibility. It would mean no smelting steel, copper, aluminium, or any other metal. No concrete. No diesel trains or semi trailers. We would not even be able to cook our food using firewood as we huddled for warmth in our caves.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 6:32:39 AM
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Of course NZ Emissions is just the latest scam element offered by globalist activists and the investors who see great power/wealth for those at the top of the global wealth mountains. The Liberals ( and now it would seem the Nationals) are letting down their base by attempting to avoid debate and face up to the stupidity of the IPCC and those luvies who are alarming the world at COP 26.

It is ironic (in fact sad) that the only common sense are the minor independent like the Clive Palmer/ Craig Kelly for common-sense over the climate change cult that is hobbling western economies. NZD is just the latest example of the west's self-flagellation in the vain hope that they Wests's " crimes over the colonial history will be forgiven by the Chinese and all those countries who demand climate remuneration packages such as the current $100billion claim coming from Cop26.

On a technical point, do not fall into the trap of accepting that any se-level rise is due to CO2. It is due to isotatic/eustatic adjustments that have seen sea-level rise and fall around the globe during the last 10,000 years. In Australia, it is well known that the east is sinking and the West is rising (in general). I fine example of this can be seen if you take a look of the bathometry of the coast along Sydney. If you do this, you will see that the Hawkesbury river (which enters the ocean at Broken Bay) can be seen to have once extended many kilometres of shore. Current Broken bay is a drowned river valley that has been formed due to the slow adjustments of the eats coast side of the continent. These current sea level rises ( miniscule) are geologically driven, not CO2.... but then why let actual real science get in the way of the predictions of flawed mathematical models and Screams from " the third generation.

Its about time the Liberals woke up and stopped pandering to their internal wets (spurred on by 'Emperor Mal McTurnball').
Posted by Alison Jane, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 7:25:05 AM
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It's good that you responded and told him why you wouldn't donate, Graham. The Coalition needs to know what is thought of their capitulation. Who cares if pro-renewables candidates are to stand in Coalition seats when the Coalition is going to surrender to climate madness anyway.

As for the Coalition’s arrogant belief that they will still get the votes they need because the other mob is even worse, well there are three right of centre parties gearing up for the next election that, while not being a able to form a government, can make it difficult for the Coalition or Labor to screw us as they obviously intend to do; if voters pull their heads out of their backsides. Unfortunately, that's a big if. The dictatorship that has arisen from Covid, and been accepted, shows that Australians are ready for soft totalitarianism.

"Now their document declares net zero will actually increase wealth".

It will - the wealth of the already wealthy. Big Business touting for zero 2050 is not mere virtue signalling: it's 'good' business. They are the ones making and selling electric cars and unreliables. And, if the cost of business goes up, they can absorb it, while their smaller rivals cannot.

Climate change has nothing to do with climate; it's about the transfer of wealth - not from the rich to the poor as commonly believed, but from the poor and the relatively poor (most of us) to the rich. It's the likes of Prince Charles and other obscenely rich billionaires who are all for Zero 2050

Zero 2050 which is just an incentive to wind down industry and buy things from China instead, where the carbon footprint, per gadget, tends to be far higher
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 9:29:35 AM
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LEGO @ 6.32am says -

"...Human Induced Climate Change is the biggest con since the idea of racial equality, or the so called stolen generations..."

String theory and alternate universes must be correct. Lego is obviously living in one of them.
Posted by Aries54, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 9:59:42 AM
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Interesting approach to debate Aries56, maybe you are the one in a different universe. Do you actually understand the failings and issues with Global Climate models, can you explain the discrepancy from actual global temperature records (only available from Satellites since 1980) and the wide range of 0ver 40 model types? or; do you understand that despite claims that CO2 causes raised temperatures, yet when no physical evidence (even at the atomic level of study) has been able to demonstrate a causal link between temp and CO2?

It is clear that as you have to result in insulting and slandering LEGO, I suspect you are just a believer who defends the klimate khange kult. AS a practicing scientist ( Earth, Enviro, Meteorology and hydrology) of over 40 years experience, I can confirm, you are living in aversion of the universe that makes you happy. Enjoy. Maybe one day you will be brave enough to step out of you KKK universe and read some real science rather than swallowing model predictions and the rantings of adolescents like Greta, Gore, Johnston, Flannery,......!Who haven't a the capacity to understand the material they spit at the world.... " How dare they?"
Posted by Alison Jane, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 10:32:13 AM
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