Politicians, not "we" , are fixated on population growth. Mass immigration is just one of the ways they are trashing Australia.

Nobody seems to care though. Australia is rooted.

Conservative parties like both the LNP and ALP in Australia think population growth is a good thing. It makes absolute GDP bigger although per capita GDP seems to now be on a permanent decline. Right now with La Nina there is water in the rivers like the Darling but we can be sure that won't last.

Social engineers point to refugees doing well for example as sports stars or restaurant owners but omit to mention the majority cohort that is struggling. The metrics we should be using to justify any more immigration include home ownership. elective surgery waiting times, underemployment, clean energy self sufficiency and perhaps now the affordability of electric cars. Until all these metrics show an upward trend hold off on immigration. A future recession would be bad with the current 26m but much worse with say 36m.

Populate AND Perish.

Population Growth is not required for economic growth! Nor is our current migration numbers! WE need to train those we have ere already and make sure they are of compatible cultures that more easily assimilate! AS for economic growth per see. We but need to attack and remove poverty via cooperative capitalism that leaves nobody behind, nor unexplored economic opportunities!

Time to use social credit to build for the future and as each project is completed its value offsets the internal credit used to create it. As demonstrated by the banking fraternity and the real estate market and money plucked by them from thin air!

The same money plucked from thin air by the government could build any income-generating infrastructure, rapid rail, social housing, power plants an inland shipping canal etc.

And only limited by the ideas we don't have and skilled workers. Which by the way can come in as guest workers who return once the contract is completed. This is helped if a full two-thirds of their salaries are withheld until they do! Get it all and tax-free, when they go home!

Populate at peril is a nonsense in today's world! Whereas, automate or perish isn't! And that needs fit for purpose energy provision not carrying profit demanding, price gouging, profit repatriating, tax-avoiding passengers! And that means the government getting into the power generating business and ensuring that only locally created co-ops are tasked with their operations.

And the money needed is in the same place the banking fraternity get theirs! So, no excuses or can't dos! Just get on and get it done or we the taxpayers will elect those that can! We're done with eternally prevaricating, no can do, politicians
Alan B.

Overruling LibLab, COVID unexpectedly offered voters a glimpse of life without crushing mass migration. They like what they see, but LibLab couldn't care less, they are going straight back to mass migration. As required by the corporates that own them.

Much of the infrastructure that a higher population would require us to have would be desirable to have anyway. Rather than seeing a higher population's requirements as a problem to be solved, I see then as an opportunity to solve problems.

Despite using Uber as a metaphor, this article seems to ignore it as a service! It has the potential to greatly reduce the need for cars, and new technologies (electric and self driving cars) will only accelerate this trend). And where did you get the idea that "locations that work for public transport" mostly means city centres? That's never been true, and the increasing density that increasing population brings means our conurbations are likely to be better suited to public transport in the future.

Urban conditions don't suit everyone, so it's important to ensure alternatives exist. There's long been a trend of rural decline, and a high number of people moving out of the big cities can reverse this.

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Steve S,
We've had a glimpse of life without the mass migration, and it's just as crushing. House prices are still skyrocketing, and road congestion is still worsening.
Let's address the problems instead of scapegoating immigration.

Politicians AND Beancounters ttbn,

I don't know how they can hold two conflicting arguments at the same time.

We must have growth, growth is good!
You must all stop polluting the planet, the world will be destroyed in 10 years!!
- But we must have growth!!

It's seriously mentally retarded.

The rich want to make more money; MUST HAVE GROWTH!!
But they want everyone else to have less. CLIMATE CHANGE!!

The queen wants me to live in a tiny box house like this
http://greencitizen.com/tiny-homes-by-ikea-help-fight-climate-change/
- While she lives it up in her palace and 20 people need to be employed to pay the wage of the person who wipes her bot-bot.

She's making all the leaders feel guilty for having democracies and citizens wanting to make their own choices, and wants Scomo on the plane burning 9 tonnes of aviation fuel just to get to Scotland.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/climate-change/queen-elizabeth-ii-caught-on-camera-criticising-world-leaders-over-cop26-climate-change-summit-ng-b882040734z

the whole worlds become one big psy-op of manipulation to force global agendas of one world government.

You want me to cut my meat consumption by 90%
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-reduction-in-meat-eating-essential-to-avoid-climate-breakdown
- and have us living off plant based diets
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49238749
- that are grown in our own feces
http://theconversation.com/the-world-needs-more-toilets-but-not-ones-that-flush-74007

You want our toilets caked with urine build-up
http://psmag.com/environment/yellow-seriously-let-mellow-bathroom-toilet-water-conservation-94758
Or not use toilets at all
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/toilet-climate-crisis-water
To have 3 minute showers
http://cambridgecarbonfootprint.org/actions/fewer_baths_shorter_showers/

You want to shut all the coal plants down and charge 3 times the cost of power to cover the cost of climate agendas.

And its all pushed by the UN and big business
https://www.blackrock.com/au/individual/larry-fink-ceo-letter

Well they aren't going to go without are they?
Is the queen going to move into a tiny home?
- It's all about equality right?? -
Is she and all the other elites going to be satisfied eating their daily bowl of kale?
Peeing in a urine caked toilet? No
Are you going to get the queen to stop using toilet paper and to use her hand instead/
(for the good of the environment, of course)
http://www.nrdc.org/experts/jennifer-skene/toilet-paper-driving-climate-crisis-every-flush
How the hell do you get growth?
When out the other side of your mouth you want everyone else to have LESS?

There are several kinds of immigration; it's the the right kind we should facilitate !

There is no solution to car traffic that is solved with extra roads.

I live in SEQ

I sold my car last year, and got a little esccoter. I was sceptical but I have to say I love this thing, my parter was the mover here as she'd gotten one first to get the 4km to work. We do trips up to 40kms (return) easily on the bike paths and back trails around where we live. We travel on the train with it and visit family and friends as well.

It does 99% of what we need it would be wonderfully served if it had better integration in the public transport systems like light rail on the GC so we could get off the train at Helensvale onto lite rail and catch that into the GC. We got off at Helensvale the other day and scooted to Harbourtown to meet friends for lunch. It's been quite the revelation and honesty think it's a transport revolution, we just need some roads closed and have the lane turned into a cycle/escooter lane only to allow quicker transits. (I am 54)

You are not stuck in traffic, YOU are the traffic.

Armchair,
Where did you get the idea the queen wants you to live in a tiny house? Is it that they ran an IKEA commercial with the news report about her?

You seem to be quite unaware that environmentalists aren't a homogenous block. There are a few who think we can't afford economic growth and must abandon capitalism etc (though most, but not all, of those were anticapitalist to begin with and just use environmentalism as an excuse). There are three things you need to know about these people:
1) They are some prominent people falsely accused of being in this category, usually based on quotes taken out of context.
2) People in this category were responsible for an enormous backlash, as some capitalists couldn't see through their arguments so instead engaged cognitive dissonance to fool themselves and others into thinking AGW is a hoax.
3) Not all anticapitalists oppose economic growth; some understand what it is.

Anyway, it should obvious that supporting growth is a more reasonable course of action than opposing it, and climate change does not mean everyone else should have less.

In 2021 some people are still refusing to accept that the planet has too many humans !
Will the 2050 Climate change target convince these brainless wonders ?
Probably not & they'll still demand other people feed others' children !

The planet just reached 7.9 billion. Due to reach 8 early 2023.

Interesting coincidence that articles are emerging in the Anglosphere round COP26 with similar take on demography but more informed by the 1970's ZPG Zero Population Growth movement?

The latter was based on sub-optimal research and data analysis, centred round Paul 'population bomb' Ehrlich and deceased white nationalist John 'passive eugenics' Tanton (muse of Steve Bannon and admirer of white Oz policy) with support of fossil fuels/auto to channel old eugenics tropes; help avoid climate science and environmental constraints.

UK's (related) Population Matter's Attenborough is promoting the notion that fossil fuels are only a conditional problem on the environment as it's because of 'population growth', but no 'solution', while many are still 'banging on about immigration'; COP'out26 aka Brexit?

For more recent and credible global demographic research Canada's Bricker & Ibbitson present their global in country research with local demographers, the public summary is 'Empty Planet' (2018). Based on broad demographer input, it explains fast declining fertility rates with most near or heading to below replacement, hence, predict peak population by mid century, then decline, but backgrounded by economic issues of supporting larger cohorts of retirees (others such as science journalist Fred Pearce see inevitable population decline as a solution and not precipitous).

The Centre for International Governance Innovation presented both in 'Empty Planet: Preparing for the Global Population Decline'; the last ten minutes they highlight how the UNPD and Paul Ehrlich keep predicting high numbers unlikely to occur. However, they do this without elaborating on the weird long standing relationship between the UNPD, population movement and in Oz the obsession with the UNPD designed NOM (described as 'nebulous' by UK journalist Ian Dunt); acts as our existential yet Trumpian 'wall' presented as an environmental (hygiene) solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSAgHvETNSg

It has been suggested elsewhere that Ehrlich's and Tanton's long game of 'architecture' of influence focusing upon 'population growth' was to delay constraints on fossil fuels and apply them to non European immigrants?

'Both of the latter have liaised with SPA and also related to Population Matters UK, Migration Watch UK, then Trump White House immigration restriction proponents FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA.

9 Billion by 2035 according to WorldOMeter.

Worldometer uses same flawed UNPD data..... the latter is coming under question for always reaching inflated numbers.

Further, Australia cannot be compared with elsewhere as we collect data differently and it is inflated by, guess what? The NOM as defined by the same UNPD versus nations that cannot, do not or measure net migration via residency permits for foreigners (omitting citizens).

If one looks in the background of the UNPD there have been some very 'interesting' links with organisations and/or people from pre WWII, including Nazi Germany.....

Australia's ABS on future population forecasts, like the UNPD, throws in a googly i.e. the high flatline NOM of 200k+ into the future (dependent upon international students; no guarantee of high numbers), that keeps the raw population high; presently the pre and WWII oldies are passing through, next is the mother lode, baby boomer bubble.

Let's revisit in 5+ years......