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Rejecting the cashless welfare card a good start for Labor : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 1/11/2021

Instead of humiliating marginalised Australians government ought instead be seeking to empower them, perhaps including through the mechanism of a Guaranteed Minimum Income.

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"Indue, which includes Conservative Coalition party luminaries as shareholders, stands to make a packet from the humiliation and micro-management of the every-day life of already-disadvantaged".

How come? Please explain. Disgusting if true.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 1 November 2021 9:48:50 AM
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Ah, the follies of youth. Rail against practical solutions that are working (however imperfectly) and offer no practical or workable solution other than to create a rights charter that people who can't manage their own lives and money must follow. No recognition that such people also have responsibilities and hence whatever is put in place must be a balance of rights with responsibilities.

"Instead of humiliating marginalised Australians government ought instead be seeking to empower them, perhaps including through the mechanism of a Guaranteed Minimum Income". Wonderful in theory but totally unrealistic in practice, recognising that a GMI has never worked anywhere in the world over the last 12,000 years of so-called civilised history.
Posted by Bernie Masters, Monday, 1 November 2021 10:35:10 AM
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I disagree! I believe there is a case for a cashless welfare card! Particularly where there is coercive control, domestic abuse etc!

And those requirements need to be across the board and universally applicable! Rather than race based!

Aside from that, I believe we need to own our own behaviour and stop blaming this or that circumstance or long ago historical events that cannot be changed or indeed claimed cultural exemptions etc!

We approach an era where we will become a cashless society and need to be, to shut down the black economy and money laudering etc-etc.

Finally, we need to adjust welfare incomes so that they meet all unmet need! That cannot include substance abuse, alcohol dependency/addiction nor drug dependency/addiction!

One of the new clever tricks by the Ice pusher is Ice labs under the floorboards of houses on (half a metre or more high) stumps. Where nails are replaced by screws. And means the house can be raided almost at will and nothing other than telltale odours or that stench remains?
The floorboards screwed and unscrewed at will with electric screwdrivers as required by the process or police raids?

Nor are the inhabitants overcome by the fumes which then are carried by favourable breezes to neighbours who respond with runny noses, watering eyes and major to very severe headaches! And babies licking the bathroom tiles!

There's way too much-unstubstantiated humbug in this area to allow it to influence very sensible decisions that in the first instance, more than halved domestic/child abuse!

Reversing previous sensible decisions is as good as more than doubling current domestic and child abuse and make no mistake, that'll be labor's legacy!

If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Genius!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 1 November 2021 11:33:26 AM
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Disagree, Bernie. Incomes could be raised to where there's no poverty whatsoever, if we but embrace cooperative capitalism and expel/outlaw all the profit demanding, paper shuffling middlemen! And commission sales! The latter replaced by salaried officers and standard fees for services or outcomes

Things that did indeed work have been dismantled by idealogues or fundamental fanatics/control freaks? All of who wanted other less egalitarian outcomes!

Outcomes which included more and more of our finite wealth concentrating in fewer and fewer hands. And that phenomenon created the Great Depression!

An outcome aided and abetted by remarkably unhelpful commentators like yourself?

A guaranteed universal income just above the poverty line is going to go straight back into the domestic income stream and discretionary spending! Thus boosting the domestic economy, the GST and tax receipts!

For every one dollar invested in an "ADEQUATE" universal income outcome, you get at least two and a half back!

You think maybe that's a bad outcome? Genius?

Can't died in a cornfield over a century ago!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 1 November 2021 12:04:11 PM
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Tristan
In the unlikely event that you are interested in feedback;
Your motives may be admirable , but your ignorant idealism can only harm the welfare of Aboriginal people and the socialist cause .Go to a remote community and experience the horror at first hand; or if you can only argue from your study , read Peter Sutton , The Politics of Suffering.
Posted by Leslie, Monday, 1 November 2021 12:19:41 PM
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"While a relatively small proportion are affected by gambling addiction or alcoholism,"
Tristan, I suggest you take a trip to the NT, particularly the larger towns and observe for yourself how wrong that statement is.
David
Posted by VK3AUU, Monday, 1 November 2021 12:30:31 PM
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