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Woke net zero targets will weaken us : Comments

By Matthew Canavan, published 22/10/2021

China now has space nukes but they can't match us on plans to reach net zero.

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Great article Matt. Unless Morrison commits to domestic nuclear power before the election the Liberals can kiss the 2022 election away.
Posted by EQ, Friday, 22 October 2021 7:18:17 AM
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The Zero Emissions Bill will go to the regions.

The ‘net zero emissions’ target is designed by inner-city elites; it serves only their narrow, Leftist interests; their ghastly plan will make no impact on global emissions (thanks to China et al, and our miniscule emissions); but it will cost 600,000 plus jobs in the regions.

"There will be bigger government but fewer productive businesses". Yes. And there will be more mass immigration to keep big business comfortable and pump up taxes to feed the Big Government, even if it's only the GST, as wages and work gradually disappear. A 'universal income' will be a small outlay for Big Government to pay.

Hydrogen? An expensive and dangerous non-renewable.

Xi Jinping with a "straight face"? He must laugh his head off every morning just thinking about 'zero carbon' and the stupidity of the collective West.

Given the threat from China, the West's obsession with climate and carbon dioxide is stark, raving madness, with no country now madder than Australia.

The Royals, sadly now including HM, who was recorded muttering about zero slackness, have made it much easier for the republicans at the next referendum, and our biggest threat is not Beijing, but Canberra.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 22 October 2021 7:21:37 AM
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The article was partisan propaganda from go to whoa!

And draws conclusions based on assumptions founded on ideology and little else.

Here's the thing, we can address climate change by transitioning to,
cheaper than coal, nuclear power! And ensure we have a nuclear reprisal weaponry arsenal, if China uses her space-based nuclear missiles on us?

One doesn't have to be woke to understand the harm we are/were doing with fossil fuels or historically, with tobacco or asbestos!

As for space-based nuclear threats? We have solutions that could shoot those missiles down over the territory of the entity that placed them there! And do so without any forewarning! If only to ensure they use them and then suffer the consequences, or take them back ASAP and decommission them!

While the technology for that response might only exist in one very old head? It exists! And if it should go to the grave undeveloped and still in that very old head? One could blame folk like the, very partisan, coal-fired (warm and comfortable, sleepwalking toward our ultimate demise) Author? It's time he and his ranting cohort, WOKE!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 22 October 2021 9:48:22 AM
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Largely agree AB.

Senator Canavan
quote "President Xi Jinping is not even attending the Glasgow conference. In fairness to him, I am not sure how he could keep a straight face while the west commits collective economic suicide"

Why would he attend? His economy is based on a house of cards made of wet tissue at best. To use anything China is doing, or not doing as a key driver is disingenuous. Blind Freddy knows the opposite of what the CCP says is the likely outcome.
So they developed a hypersonic nuke, who cares? If they were dumb enough to use it most of the Planet who they have alienated will join forces and wipe them off the map.
Enough of the China rhetoric, China is a paper tiger and reliant on the west. Let's not do the woke things, but the right things. China under the CCP can screw themselves over at their hearts content.
Posted by ViolentEntropy, Friday, 22 October 2021 1:43:58 PM
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Here is the big joke in the corner;

IT IS THE SUN STUPID !

http://tinyurl.com/4zytf5nw

Now it is true, I have no proof of this but some scientists claim
they do. Like prof Ridd they have been attacked for contradicting
the current religion. So watch the Inquisition turn out.

It is remarkable but what looks like the peak in the cycle has turned
up bang on schedule for a peak 300 years after the Maunder minimum.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 23 October 2021 11:51:42 AM
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Transitioning to safe, clean, cheaper than coal, nuclear power will create more jobs than those we might lose in the coal mining industry!

And the accompanying power prices as low as 1 cent PKWH. will ensure a big uptake of new energy dependant manufacturing and value-adding processing!

As would genuine tax reform manifesting as an unavoidable flat tax of 15% that kicks in above a very generous tax-free threshold!

Ditto if most or all that was dependant on cooperative capitalism and cooperative enterprise!

The latter feature would ensure foreign raiders were locked out and also make every one dollar of investment do the work of at least seven!

None of the above is impossible or even moderately difficult! Just withheld by, I believe, puppet governments?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 23 October 2021 12:03:04 PM
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Sun dependant renewables only work when the sun shines, stupid! Cannot get below 5 cents PKWH And that outcome depends on acres of solar panels/solar thermal solutions!

If you want either of those to be available 24/7 then one needs pumped hydro or batteries, meaning a ripping price hike! Or power at cost at least 15 cents PKWH.

By the time one adds in transmission and distribution reticulation. That number could become 30 cents PKWH and the last of manufacture here, heading for the exits! And that would be a very clever outcome, wouldn't it, stupid!?

Currently, coal-fired power is price gouged beyond belief and within the acquiescence and knowledge of conflicted parliaments and or doggy pollies?

And that can only be changed by a transition to locally-owned and operated, nuclear power co-ops! Guys like twiggy need to get involved, if only to ensure the above outcome!

We cannot wait for puppet governments to do anything real in this area? There'll be this or that review and inquiries of enquiries that then spend decades in pigeon holes?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 23 October 2021 12:30:07 PM
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It is even worse than all that Alan.
When people demonstate how impossible it is to keep the power on with
wind and solar they trot out the batteries.
They never take in just when and how you recharge them.
So a cold still night and you enter the next sunrise with flat batteries.
You need a minimum of half a days power to recharge.
You can only get it from solar and wind of the same capacity as you
are using that day !
So, a complete new installation with capacity equal to grid demand !
We just doubled the cost of wind and solar.
Unfortunately the next day could be still and overcast so we really
need a twice as big battery and a charging system twice that of the
grid design. errr what if there is two weeks of wind drought al la Europe ?
We need a BLOODY big battery ! (& money printer)
All this before we start charging our electric cars at night, argghh
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 23 October 2021 1:02:40 PM
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Oh this bloke is a shocker.

This Bachelor of Arts graduate who went straight to Canberra after university to work for the Productivity Commission as a public servant for 10 years before becoming a staffer for Barnaby Joyce.

Yet he parades around with a coal stained face dressed in fluro workwear. Just look at his Twitter profile picture.

http://twitter.com/mattjcan

Much of his article is just as fake. He attributes “huge lines at petrol stations” on renewable energy policies but it is only occurring in the UK as a direct result of Brexit causing a shortage of drivers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/world/europe/why-uk-fuel-shortage.html

He is one big bag of wind, a fake, given a platform in the Murdoch press, and the usual useful idiots on OLO are lapping it all up.

Pathetic.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 23 October 2021 2:40:00 PM
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Scott Morrison has told the Liberal Party room - and therefore the rest of us as long as he is Prime Minister - that there is “no choice” for Australia in the madness of net zero emissions by 2050.

What? No choice in a sovereign democracy? No debate in a democracy? How about putting it to the Australian people: the ones who will be paying the price, not the political class, Big Business, the UN, the OECD, the IMF, and Australia’s own Reserve Bank; and the Business Council of Australia, which two years ago ranted against Labor’s 45% reduction as “economy wrecking”, but who are now demanding a 50% reduction by 2030!

Like other Western political leaders, Morrison seems to be marching to the drum of the globalists and the build back better, great resetting bullies and organisations that will be least effected by the mania for changing the world, and Australia, beyond recognition.

We should all be alarmed that our Prime Minister can think, let alone say, that there is no choice in a democracy. That there will be no debate in a democracy. That Australlans will have no say in their future. That they will not even be asked what they they think, even after he, Morrison, was only returned to his $500,000 job when they, ordinary Australians, rejected Labor’s policies. Our new ‘worst prime minister ever’ is now in agreement with Labor, and intending to do what they would have done had they not been rejected.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 23 October 2021 3:55:23 PM
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David Flint says it the way it is:

"Having won an election denouncing net zero, media cover will enable Scott Morrison to deliver a bipartisan sell-out to Beijing. Whenever a media pack forms, rational debate goes out the window."
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 23 October 2021 4:36:28 PM
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I read this morning of a solar farm's output overwhelmed the grid? This is the problem, stupid, with the sun! It's daylight only solution! And will need batteries to soak up excess supply and then trickle it back out at night! And Bazz is correct in assuming this will treble the price of solar,i.e., it's the sun, stupid!

On the insider program, his morning, was the NSW treasurer claiming that we would need at least fifteen years to train a workforce capable of running nuclear power, That it was more expensive than renewables, and a long way off, etc-etc.

Well, historically, naval ratings needed only 3 months of additional training and a comprehensive user manual to run the ship's nuclear reactor?

And history shows SMRs can be churned out using a known design in just 12 short months! And that's conventional nuclear power!

So, the NSW treasurer/environment minister needs to start speaking from a lot higher up to be credible! Risible rhetoric is no substitute for facts!

The 7 nats that want the current, self-imposed embargo on nuclear power lifted, need to stick to their guns! And cross the floor on other issues until or unless they get their way, or force the government to an early election?

And given they do, will represent the majority view of the majority (57%) of Australians! All while wedging labor, who need anti-nuclear green preferences to win!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 24 October 2021 10:06:31 AM
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Yes Alan the state treasurer is not connected. A Defense Dept person
said on TV that Navy personal are already overseas being trained.
Probably maintenance and systems people being introduced to it all.

Calculations by people with experience on wind and solar systems have
suggested that the duplication of the wind & solar can go as high as
twelve times. In other words if the system has a peak demand of 10Gw
then you have to install up to 120 Gwatt of wind & solar.
The smaller the country the more duplication that is needed.
This will be what crashed Germany as it is a small country.
Then of course more duplication is needed for each extra day of no
wind you have to allow for.
If people think about it you can see the financial nightmare involved.
Image the battery needed to cover in this example for
(10 x 24 GwattHrs) x The nummber of still days and then you need a
dedicated wind & solar system to match just to be able to recharge the monster !
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 24 October 2021 12:26:00 PM
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Imagine the pollution from manufacturing all these Green technologies mentioned !
It'll make coal look squeaky clean !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 24 October 2021 7:54:29 PM
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