Thanks for the comments.

mhaze, yes the million dollar question is whether the US will indeed back up its rhetoric.

I suppose the south china sea and taiwan will be the crucial tests, should the mad CCP decides to test the waters through a military conflict.

But I think the resistance may well succeed in terms of military resistance, widespread condemnation from most countries, and indeed the last possibility of economic retaliation albeit the latter will devastate the international economy.

But eventually something must give if the west is to counter the CCP, or remove itself from the world more influenced by the CCP.

“... and China's activities in Africa, which includes China having a military base in Djibouti.”

China’s one and only foreign military base. The US has more than 750 military bases in over 70 countries. It has 29 in Africa. The US is the military predator, not China. The AUKUS alliance will just draw us further into US aggression around the world and in particular against China.

Bronwyn,

You may be able to enlighten us why NATO and the G-7, the US, and many countries are very concerned about the CCP.

Are they all wrong, or do they all know that a world influenced by the CCP is set back for humanity.

I will go with the latter. I am confident that most of the world will agree, albeit many will be happy to take Chinese money

"China’s one and only foreign military base."

That's very true....if you ignore all the military bases in Tibet and the South China Sea. But I guess the Chinese apologists will consider those areas to be part of China because the CCP says so.





"But eventually something must give if the west is to counter the CCP, or remove itself from the world more influenced by the CCP."

Well that is my point. The current US leadership is disinclined to counter the CCP and has lost faith in western civilisation. They think that the US is irretrievably evil with its entire history revolving around slavery and exploitation of non-whites. That's what CRT is about and they have fully bought and absorbed it. Worse, they now force it on the next generation over the heads of parents.

You cannot defend a way of life you don't believe in. You cannot confront a regime as evil if you think your own country is similarly evil. I fear Trump and Trumpism was the last throw of the dice for the US and the west.

For Australia, if that is true (and we'll know one way or the other by 2024) we have to work out where we fit in a Chinese dominated world. China is offering vassal status. I don't think we can accept that.

But we might be able to wrangle a position of non-threatening trading post on the outskirts of the Chinese hegemony, useful for trade and not worth the effort of conquering. Let's say a client state to the world hegemon

Chris

“You may be able to enlighten us why NATO and the G-7, the US, and many countries are very concerned about the CCP.’

NATO and the G7 are both dominated by the US so of course they’re singing the US tune on China. They represent a mere thirty out of around 200 countries in the world. The majority of the world’s nations refuse to buy into the US-led demonization of China. At least 130 have signed up to be part of China’s Belt and Road initiative. They welcome its trade and investment opportunities and appreciate the co-operative collaboration and cultural engagement with China and the other nations involved.

The US has an obsessive and irrational hatred and fear of China, which it considers a threat to its self-appointed role as the world’s hegemon. It’s been threatening and attempting to contain China for many years. For most of that time, China has patiently avoiding taking the bait, but recently, it has become more assertive. It is finally standing up to the US after more than a decade of ever-increasing provocation. It will defend its sovereignty, but, unlike the US, it will not interfere in the sovereignty of other nations.

China is no threat to Australia, unless we choose to make it an enemy, which unfortunately, the Morrison government seems stupidly hellbent on doing.

Early in this debate the comment was made that we are in the Indo Pacific area.
Quite true and we are on the other side of the world from Asia.
Here is a surprise for most of you;
Indonesia, Timor, and the Philippines are not in Asia.
They are like us in Oceana.
Too many have been brainwashed in their schools by Mercadors Projection
map on their school walls. I bet you never noticed that the vertical
size of the scale in the Southern Hemisphere is smaller than the North.
Goes to show how dangerous school brainwashing can be.
I hope you read Jo Novas blog noted on this site.
It has a logical explanation for China's push for coal power but wants
us all to buy their "cheap" wind and solar.
Makes a lot of sense and is a typical Chinese salesman trick.