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Traditional religious visions and the return of the strong gods : Comments

By Dara Macdonald, published 17/8/2021

From this insight that liberalism left religious freedom behind comes a strain of post-liberal thought on the right.

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The real war, which is motivated by the tactic of suppression, leads us to Donald Trump.

Itís actually a war waged on a financial front. A war between the haves and have nots.

The red States were not those of the wealthy influential States in the East.

The liberals wage a war of (not on), snobbery.

If any Gods influence outcomes of this, a war of survival, itís the Gods of money!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 8:00:43 AM
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Dan, called it in one. The strong God of the ruthless right, is was and always will be, Mannon.

And we see over and over in so-called Christian churches, where the bible is perverted and routinely misinterpreted to ( wink, wink, nudge, nudge, a nod is a good as a wink to a blind horse) make it so. This is money changers in the temple stuff! It's, look at me, look at me, pulpit pounding hypocrites/pollies?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 17 August 2021 11:27:10 AM
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Dara Macdonald said-"(1.) Then there is Patrick Deenen who wrote probably the most decisive, if not well known, an account of the post-liberal right in Why Liberalism Failed?

(2.) What is most significant about this desire on the right for the old gods to return with a vengeance is that it leads those on the conservative right to advocate for policies that are inverse to the limited government policies of the past.

No longer do these Ďcommon goodí or Ďutilitarianí conservatives have qualms with breaking political or institutional convention to further goals. Whereas previously (conservatives preferred a non-revolutionary strategy contemporary conservatives serving) the old and strong gods see the political power they continue to gain- such as in the voting in of Donald Trump in 2016- and the cultural power they continue to lose and instead of trying to win back the culture they decide to wield the power they do have to influence the culture."

Answer 1- Patrick Deenen is a visionary and deep intellect his ABC Podcast Late Night Live with Josh Szeps is revealing. Deneen bases his work on 1800's political philosopher Alexis de Tocqueville. The best description of Deneen is perhaps Anti-Locke-Liberal. For those not familiar with his work he is like Jordan Peterson but better. He envisages a return to more parochial civilization.

Answer 2- Perhaps conservatives weren't so much about limited government policies but financially small government- aka the "Big Government Is Bad" mantra of Reagan. Perhaps conservatives see national stability being destroyed by "artificial complexity" and the bloody minded deconstructivist Tabula Rasa/ Blank Slatism of the Communist left. Engineers know that complexity can make a system unsustainable and unmaintainable and ultimately a failure- sadly the masses often "don't understand the maths" and are led to their ruin by interlopers. Comedian Bill Burr says it well "MacDonalds failed when it apologized for making people fat and introducing the salad".
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 10:56:53 AM
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By MacDonalds introducing complexity they have introduced a higher "per unit cost" into their profits potentially making their business model unsustainable. MacDonalds in a sense succeeded because it made one thing that most people wanted, quickly, well presented, and reliably- they understood the needs of their customers and how to deliver it most effectively. While not a business - a nation also needs to manage it's complexity- the complexity in legislation, in population, etc. Woke inclusiveness for example is a cost and introduces complexity. In Australia John Howard lamented a similar issue in the GST implementation.

The Conservatives have "woken up to the woke" Communist Cultural Engineering and it's damage to cultures and group identity.

God (or The Gods) are part of our identity.

The Communists have been fighting a war for a while but the Conservatives haven't recognised it.

The Conservatives have learned from the Communists that you can't always play nice if you want to survive.

Diver Dan said "The real war, which is motivated by the tactic of suppression, leads us to Donald Trump. Itís actually a war waged on a financial front. A war between the haves and have nots. The red States were not those of the wealthy influential States in the East. The liberals wage a war of (not on), snobbery. If any Gods influence outcomes of this, a war of survival, itís the Gods of money!"

Answering Diver Dan- Yes correct- the Communist's are now the Capitalists in an ironic sense. Large tech giants such as Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook are leaders in the woke Communist agenda- as someone else said Chinese Dengism.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 10:57:46 AM
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