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Australia’s global performance: falling behind : Comments

By Julian Hill, published 7/7/2021

As the pandemic continues to dominate people's lives and our national conversation, Australians are starting to get angry at Australia's failing response.

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individual,
>What, like asking for a pay increase during the Pandemic ?

Yes. Not all employers have been hit hard by the pandemic, and making requests (not demands) is perfectly reasonable.

So again I ask, what union demands do you think are putting Australia's competitiveness to sleep?
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 12 July 2021 5:21:43 PM
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Aidan,
When someone loses their job, asking for assistance is not, repeat, not a demand. When asking for a pay rise during a Pandemic it IS an immoral demand !
I have to get back to you as to which outfit tasked for a raise recently, it was some union !
Posted by individual, Monday, 12 July 2021 5:36:06 PM
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Hi Aiden,

Look at that poor old billionaire Gerry Harvey, record profits, big bonuses for exects, massive payouts to shareholders, and all poor Gerry got was $12 million from taxpayers in "Jobkeeper". Maybe Gerry was bitching because he didn't pocket the $64 million like Jamie Packer was gifted for Crown Casino. The billion dollar airlines didn't do too bad, pocketing $100's million in taxpayer funds whilst charging $38,000 for one way ticket from London.

Indy, what's these question you're talking about?
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 12 July 2021 6:32:23 PM
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individual,
WTF is your definition of a demand?
I ask because it seems at odds with the english language as I know it!

It's not immoral to ask for more pay during a pandemic, though your request is less likely to succeed than at other times. But if staff are so poorly paid that it's causing a recruitment crisis, that needs addressing even during a pandemic. And if an employer is highly profitable but still not paying well, there's no moral problem whatsoever in seeking to address that.

You seem to have got swept up in your own rhetoric! You're making it sound as if the unions are saying GIVE US A BIG PAY RISE NOW OR WE'LL GO ON STRIKE AND RUIN YOU! But that's not what they're saying and Australian unions ceased to be like that over thirty years ago.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 12 July 2021 7:29:33 PM
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It's not immoral to ask for more pay during a pandemic,
Aidan,
copied from the Net;
The Fair Work Commission decision by industry: 
General Retail Industry Award – 2.5% on 1 September 2021
Fast Food Industry Award – 2.5% on 1 July 2021
Pharmacy Industry Award – 2.5% on 1 July 2021
Storage Services Award – 2.5% on 1 July 2021
Hair and Beauty Industry Award – 2.5% on 1 November 2021

Shouldn't we let the show recover before asking for more pay ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 6:58:20 AM
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Australian unions nowadays understand the importance of efficiency
Aidan,
And, otherwise you're quite alright ? If the Unions really & I mean really wanted efficiency then they would get rid of the system that protects overpaid non-performers in every industry !
They'd fight the Peter Principle, they'd reduce senior bureaucrat & politicians' salaries etc. The list is as long as their stuff-ups !
They're the ones ruining the economy with the help of Labor politicians. Yes, there are too many duds in LNP too but they're heavily outnumbered by the others !
Come back to me once you can prove that you grasped the meaning of integrity !
Also, tell us if it's ok with you that a Public Servant can only be gotten rid of by promoting them out ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 8:18:23 AM
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