SR,

I have an intense dislike of racism/antisemitism, paedophilia and those who support and protect them. The left whingers apparently have no problems with those in their ranks.

I am fully aware of what acquiescence means. The evacuation from Gaza occurred as part of the peace accord negotiated by Fatah, and violence from Hamas has not gained the Palestinians one inch, in fact, the DMZ exclusion zone has been extended into Gazan territory. The Hamas corruption is blatant and the living standards under Hamas has plumeted.

Tired of the Woke Dings ?

https://retalk.com/c/retalk/brolnd-1620554803

shadowminister,

You are infatuated with the topics of child abuse and antiSemticism and your repetition of them is telling of quite deep personal issues.

Don't worry we all have issues of some stripe.

Israel did not leave Gaza because of a peace plan. The Israelis knew the price they would have to exert to keep it would not be acceptable to the rest of the world.

But further than that they calculated it would delay any discussion of a two state solution which it plainly did.

"The significance of the disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process, and when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress. That is exactly what happened. You know, the term `peace process' is a bundle of concepts and commitments. The peace process is the establishment of a Palestinian state with all the security risks that entails. The peace process is the evacuation of settlements, it's the return of refugees, it's the partition of Jerusalem. And all that has now been frozen.... what I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns. That is the significance of what we did."
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's senior adviser, Dov Weissglass

Sharon himself said: "Twenty-three years ago, Moshe Dayan proposed unilateral autonomy. On the same wavelength, we may have to espouse unilateral separation... [it] would inevitably preclude a dialogue with the Palestinians for at least 25 years."

Wikipedia

Dear SteeleRedux,

I do not claim to know the exact reason(s) for Israel's disengagement from Gaza, but earlier you wrote:

«It is patently evident that it was military actions by the Gazans which have seen Gaza retained as a contiguous parcel of land.

The acquiescence by Fatah and other West Bank leaders has seen the West Bank illegally settled and carved up in a continuous erosion of Palestinian land.»

And now you admit:

«Israel did not leave Gaza because of a peace plan. The Israelis knew the price they would have to exert to keep it would not be acceptable to the rest of the world.»

In other words, that it had nothing to do with fear of Hamas' military might, rockets, bombs, tunnels, etc. as you stated earlier, but that it was in fact a political decision (right or wrong, it doesn't matter).

Thanks. Israel is not and never was afraid of that little Gaza possum.
Nothing in the West Bank can threaten Israel either.
Militarily, both are just a minor nuisance which Israel could quash in an hour with its military brass-band, had it not been concerned for the diplomatic consequences.

SR,

Gaza was evacuated as part of the peace process at the end of which Israel offered Fatah a version of a 2 state solution that did not include East Jerusalem, but a lot more than they have now which was rejected.

The opinion of an advisor is not representative of the entire Israeli negotiating team. Fatah was offered most of what they wanted, but demanded everything and got nearly nothing.