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Exiting Afghanistan: Biden sets the date : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 21/4/2021

It had to be symbolic, and was represented as such. Forces of the United States will be leaving Afghanistan on September 11 after two decades of violent occupation.

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Problems include:

A. Official Afghani government only represents/controls Kabul, areas about 10km outside it.

B. Chinese and Russian military/civilian intelligence forces are coming in as Western forces move out. Part reason, China and Russia both/also suffer from Islamic Terrorism harbored and trained in Afgh.

C. Afgh is Russia's/China's BUFFER ZONE against unwanted forces. Iran and Pakistan, will/do also backfill the POWER VACUUM left by Western Forces withdrawal.

D. Taliban is a loose description rebadging to other groups that WON'T HONOR A TALIBAN DEAL! Problem groups include ISIS, neo-al Quaeda, neo-Nothern Alliance Russian/Chinese/Pakistani/Iranian/Saudi influenced/paid/equipped armed insurgent factions all vying for power and needing to be paid off.

E. As Western forces withdraw less Western (eg. DEA and Australian Federal Police) ability to monitor, interrupt Afghanistan's LARGEST OPIUM/HEROIN GROWER AND SUPPLIER in world to West drug trade.

Many Options for Afghanistan (Afgh) including:

1. Western forces (US, its allies eg. Australia) having some military Boots on Ground forever.

OR

2. Complete withdrawal of every Western entity. That never happened even before 9/11 going way back to the 1839 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War

OR, AND MOST LIKELY:

3. Many ways to continue a presence in a less economically/politically expensive way, after military Boots on Ground withdraw on 11 September 2021. The following could constitute a continuing presense:

- CIA and other Western paramilitaries eg. deniable Western Special Forces (US employees or Afgh-Pakistanis and other "agents" in CIA pay including Pak Mil Intel (ISI)) particulary training (and quietly coordinating including callin in airstrikes) AFGHAN SPECIAL FORCES.

- Other Western paid Mercenary/Contractors in their 1,000s (eg. Blackwater's descendent companies) to defend Kabul Regime and CALL IN AIR/MISSILE STRIKES by Western aircraft including Reaper drones.

CONCLUSIONS

Expect that once the Taliban are fully paid off to seal the Western Withdrawal Deal the Taliban will rebadge and demand MORE MONEY.

A Taliban seen to make deals with the Western countries ("infidels") will be discredited in the eyes of most Afghani tribesmen/bandits who will eventually occupy Kabul, destroy the Taliban, and demand MORE MONEY FROM THE WEST.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 9:49:20 AM
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Afghanistan. Another waste of life and money, will go back to what it was, just as it always has since the West started meddling with it for fear of Russia two centuries ago. How many times does the West have to be told 'up ya Khyber' before they get it. They didn't even take the hint when the Russia was humiliated not so long ago.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 11:46:12 AM
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But tt

I thought you'd gone all woke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#21st-century_backlash on this, the post Trump era.

Don't ya think Western troops should stay in Afgh forever to defend equal rights for Afgh-Muslim women. Thereby giving said Sheilas more rights than a goat or a duck in their quest to read and write?!

Let alone Kabul Uni FeminisT Studies? http://feminist.org/news/kabul-university-to-open-first-gender-studies-program-in-afghanistan/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FeministDailyNews+%28Feminist+Daily+News%29 ?? Aye Bro?
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 1:21:35 PM
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Seceding the high ground is a tactical error. Thats one the Chinese are not making in Tibet.

More stupid from the US dunce.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 1:57:16 PM
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Biden is simply implementing Trump's policy which had been announced last year. As I recall, all the Democrats thought it was a disastrous move when it was Trump doing it whereas now they treat is as the greatest act of diplomacy since the Peace of Nicias.

The US should have got out a very long time ago and indeed should never have gotten in. That they had to punish Kabul for offering safe-haven to bin Laden et al and even helping his efforts, is a given. But everything after that was mere hubris and a hopeless misunderstanding of history.

What should have happened and what will probably happen in the future if a similar situation arises is that they should have bombed Kabul back into the stone-age as punishment and retribution and then left, with a promise to do it all over again if the Taliban didn't play nice.

Instead, they thought they had an obligation to fix a broken country (the so-called China Shop idea - you broke it you own it). The Bush neo-cons of the day also utterly misunderstood what it takes to make a democracy, thinking that, since they'd done it in Japan, they could do it everywhere. A bad error.

If the US should have exited long ago, Australia should have been out even before that. We went in to show western solidarity. But once it was clear the US was only staying for nation prestige and domestic politics, spending Australian blood and treasure was obscene. So we shouldn't be timing our departure on what Biden does - leave today.

The only problem with all this is the timing. Had it been done last year while the US was strong, it would have looked like a country simply tired of a useless fight. Now, with Russian troops on the Ukraine border, the US navy chased out of the Black Sea and China thumbing its nose at international rules in the South China Sea, it looks more like a once strong super-power running away with its tail between its legs
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:36:29 AM
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