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Quarantine and immigration : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 16/3/2021

Quarantine in commercial hotels in major cities has demonstrably failed, with four outbreaks in four states.

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An interesting article.

MANY PROBLEMS WITH IT:

- "travellers would have to pay for their food and essentials" what if they come with no money or no money convertable to Aus dollars?

- hardship of being in a virtual prison camp (ex WWII) updated to a refugee-like prison is not what Australian citizens would appreciate.

MAIN PROBLEM: How to get guards and support staff who way outnumber those being quarantined to live in and share such isolation? They would expect fly in/fly out on miners' wages = $200,000+ per year.

Also isloated guards and support staff may be just as vulnerable to catching Covid. And extra layer of pilots and hosties even more so.

Thus blowing out any cost savings and still spreading Covid whenever guards, supports, pilots and hosties fly back into cities.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 8:45:41 AM
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"Immigration provides 60 per cent of our annual population increase …".

Well it damn well shouldn't ! There should be no population increase anywhere in the world. The mass immigration Ponzi scheme of both Liberal and Labor is suicidal. There is nothing more hideous than immigration when 'concern' for ecology and climate is all the rage. The drop in immigration and foreign students is the only good thing the China virus has done for us. Morrison has rightly told universities to adjust their business models (not that education was ever meant to be a business); the same should apply to everyone else. Small and efficient does the job. As long as people of working age in Australia are not actually working, immigration should off the agenda indefinitely - virus or no virus.

Don Aitkin has wandered off the track, as has this "correspondent" of his
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 8:55:48 AM
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P.S.

Article's "no one will escape, so guard costs would be tiny. There is no point in escaping, for there is nowhere to go in such isolated areas up north, only kangaroos and crocodiles"

is waste-of-time flippant.

Guards still needed to stop the quarantined from different huts: mixing, rooting, fighting, breaking things and still escaping (as quarantine escapees dying of thirst in the desert or very bad PR (lack of duty of care) for State Premiers and Morrison.

Guards are still needed to keep order like policemen and NOT as prison camp-like-armed guards.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 9:02:10 AM
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HOW do COVID-19 + people even get onto a plane to come here ??
No more migrants for the next 5 years ! Any Australians want to live overseas, stay overseas !
The days of willy nilly gallivanting around the Globe are over, pinis, finito !
Only essential travel for the next two years !
Make young Australians do the work of Visa tourists for a few years till we recover.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 9:55:04 AM
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Hi Don

I'm looking for quarantine on similar country military base examples: wide open spaces of US and Canada come up.

US BASES

Here's an interesting one http://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-military-bases-coronavirus-quarantine-locations-2020-2?r=US&IR=T of Feb 16, 2020

This week, more than 200 evacuees were released from federal quarantine at military bases in California.

The Department of Defence and CDC have approved at least 15 US MILITARY BASES quarantine camps. Here’s where they are.

...Five primary bases – three in California, one each in Colorado, Nebraska, and Texas – can hold up to 1,000 quarantined people.
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CANADIAN BASES

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-first-group-of-quarantined-canadian-evacuees-released-from-military/ Feb 20, 2020

"As the country’s first coronavirus quarantine ends, the hundreds of Canadians who have been isolated at Canadian Forces Base Trenton over the past 14 days prepared to return to their everyday lives.

...Four hundred and thirteen people have been quarantined at the [likely Trenton] military base following evacuation from the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China...

The first group of evacuees, who arrived Feb. 7, [2020] are to be released Friday.

...As a thank you for their care, they raised more than $35,000 in donations among themselves for the Canadian Red Cross, said evacuee Li Xin Cheng, who led the fundraising effort along with two others in quarantine..."

COMMENT

From search trends US and Canada may have only experimented with Military Base Quarantine in early 2020. Could be US and Can Govts then turned to hotel quarantine as standard practice.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 3:48:15 PM
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Hotel Quarantine does seem to be a catastrophe waiting to happen. Stopping all incoming would be a much better idea.

The pandemic has given us the opportunity to fix our excessive migration system. We have already changed the population mix much to the determent of existing citizens, & it is time to rejig the economy to make it work without building housing for millions of often unsuitable migrants.

The last thing we need is even grossly larger cities, inhabited by people who can't even talk to each other, with little in common, but their address.

Time to rethink the model, before we totally stuff the place.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 6:46:32 PM
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I prefer no quarantine hotel in Toowoomba which risks positive cases released into the community and risk Toowoomba going into Lockdown. Mr Wagner can build his hotel but send returning Aussie residents and citizens to e.g. Christmas Island where facilities already exist.
Posted by Francesca, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 11:57:34 AM
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Stranded Aussies have a right to come home. The fact we close down or close out (by quarantine restrictions) entire states when hotel cases occur is hysterical overreaction.

Given the evolution of the virus mass vaccination will not raise, greatly, the already huge probability of surviving infection, and if the occassional case arises in quarantine it must be balanced against the health and safety plight facing many stranded Aussies. Before they even get on a plane now they have to have a negative test, so the chance of infection in quarantine is much lower than it was. Caps were not lifted in response to this and are at or below the arbitrary levels originally imposed.

Hasbeen's position is irksome. I'd love him to be in the shoes of some of those he writes off as lesser Australians for not being here. My forebears who died in wars would turn in their graves at his attitude.
Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 1:06:32 PM
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Luciferase, I spent some years working overseas. I chose to do it, & I didn't believe Australians owed me anything, or any help if I got my self into trouble because of my decision. The same applies now.

In the same way I would not expect to come home bringing trouble with me, then or now. I would not be against the establishment of an off shore quarantine station, where people could quarantine at their own expense, before returning, but if they chose to work over seas that was their choice, & we owe them nothing.

Any one who went off touring after the pandemic started deserves everything they suffer.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 18 March 2021 1:30:09 AM
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Politics certainly makes strange bedfellows, Don.

Kevin Rudd also runs the insane line that we should have a population of 50 million, and that would give us defence protection. As if.

As for quarantine, dear Jane Halton's (AO PSM FAICD FIPPA) simultaneous occupation of the COVID Commission and Crown Resorts Board says it all.
Posted by Steve S, Monday, 22 March 2021 6:39:37 AM
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