Here is another King maker from the royal stable of self importance!

Actually, China climbed the mountain called Smog, to become the global world leader, by ignoring the fallacy, while stupid in the West once dominated this deserved place.

Also, “breed stupid” has gone forward in its attempts to build on impoverishing its citizens with panic reactions, which force homelessness and hunger to unprecedented levels not seen in decades. Do these clowns care? Not a bit! Let the artificially created poor, walk and burn candles. Someone must pay; who better than the dispossessed!

Dan

We haven’t heard the old ‘denial’ put down attempt for a long time. Talk about “looking on (sic) the rear vision mirror”.

There is a “reality” to climate change; the non-reality is the yammering about its cause, and the pathetic belief that anything can be done about it by humans, by 2030 or 2050 - whatever.

Wild, unsubstantiated phrases like “increasingly devastating bushfires”; “frequent wild weather ‘events’”, and “dramatic bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef”, fly in the face of the reality we are supposedly not accepting. No mention of ‘events’ in Europe, where the climate has decided to produce the coldest weather for 50 years. Nothing about the amazingly mild Summer here in the south, either.

“Solar is cheapest way to produce electricity”. This fellow doesn’t pay the power bills if he thinks that. And, in the north, the solar panels - even the windmills - are frozen and not working.

A “web of fear and misinformation”. Yes. We have just been reading it here.

What a load of misinformed assertion!

Oh man! Is this a parody post? Or a competition - how many errors can you make in 1000 words or less.

"unwilling to accept the reality of climate change"

Who doesn't accept that there's climate change? We all know its been changing for approximately 4 billion years.

We even accept that the last 150 years of that 4 billion has seen some warming.

What we don't accept is the claim that the warming is solely due to CO2.

But what we especially don't accept is the whole 'were all gunna die' screams from the alarmists.

We accept GW - that there's been warming.

We partially accept the AGW bit - that man has played some part in the warming.

We reject the whole CAGW meme - that it'll be catastrophic. Some even think it'll continue to be beneficial.

Its good that we still have some pollies who can see past the hype.

How many times do I have to say it!

THE PROBLEM IS NOW TOO BIG TO FIX.

The thing with AGW / Climate change deniers is that they want to have a quinella on themselves: "Oh well, if we're wrong and the science is right we will always be able to just turn back the clock."

WRONG . . . . . . IT'S TOO LATE.

I suppose Galileo had sceptics too. It took a long time for people to realize that the earth was not flat, and that ships would not fall off a flat earth. These doubters remind me of the deniers of climate change. Science has shown that if we continue on our pathway of burning coal and increasing the earth's temperature, then we will make life worse on planet Earth, which is round, dear climate deniers.

Cyclone,

Knowledgeable people knew the planet was round long before Galileo came along.

What Galileo showed was that the Earth was not the centre of the cosmos which went against the belief of the Church which held a geocentric model that aligned with the Scriptures.

Only Cyclone stands alone in the commentary herein, with a head not buried in the sand of dangerous ignorance!

The article came with verifiable, via fact-checking, factual data!

Around the time of Galileo, many men of science and letters did literally believe the world was flat and that was the then conventional wisdom?

Even so, belief alone never ever made round world flat!

There are those among us (I'm all right Jack you lot can go visit the nearest taxidermist) who do not want the gravy train ride that coal gave them, to end!

Yet end it must! And amoung the financial community/lenders, about as popular as a Porkchop at a bar mitzvah. With gas a little less popular now, in that community, with carbon tariffs now on the table!

Time for a strong dose of hard reality! We need to transition toward carbon-free nuclear energy! And that nuclear energy is, the cleanest safest and cheapest energy on the planet, i.e., MSR thorium!

Don't want to invest in the requisite R+D? Just want the usual free lunch?

Ok, just don't expect it to be free! But delivered with a whole host of belt and road consequences! He who controls the world's energy, controls the world! And don't say you weren't warned!
Alan B.

1. People had known the earth was round for millennia prior to Galileo. Greek philosophers of the 6th century BC knew the world was round and within 100 years had calculated its circumference pretty accurately.

2. Galileo had nothing to do with finding or proving that the world was round. It was already well known. Galileo showed that the earth moved around the Sun.

3. The idea that people thought the world was flat was a myth created in the 19th century.

4. Its beyond hilarious that we have people like Cyclone and Alan B preening themselves on their superior following of science while falling for these myths and getting the simplest facts wrong.

They aren't following the science, they are simply allowing themselves to be misled by the charlatans.

mhaze,

Even our Stone Age ancestors probably worked it out by observing that the Sun and the Moon just happened to be - yes you guessed it! ROUND.

The only people with their heads in the sand are those like this clown. Some hundreds of peer reviewed papers in the last couple of years have highlighted that the planet is cooling again. Try the figures from Japan, or China, rather than our "homogenized" garbage, corrupted to hell & back.

In South East Queensland we are having the coldest summer in my 30 years here. Days are about average, but I have never before seen everyone bearing jumpers on summer nights.

I suggest he try telling the folk of Texas or the mid west of the USA that wind or even gas is suitable to supply reliable electrical power. It is only coal that is proving at all reliable due to decent stock piles where needed.

An internet mate of mine in mid west USA just came back on the air after 3 days of no power or gas. He has been keeping 5 neighbor families alive because he still has a fuel stove beside his gas/ electric stove, & burns wood in a couple of fire places for home heating.

In fact I suggest Campbell go shout his message in Texas right now. The folk might warm up a bit with the exertion of beating him to a pulp. At least that way he may be useful for something.

A Texan Ditty.

Hi ho Hi Ho
It's off we go
to the snow
to the snow

Where the coal don't glow
Where wind Turbines don't go
Where science denies the snow
Where science denies the snow

Pigs can't fly
Cold people die
Snowed in the lie
Snowed in the lie

Hi ho hi ho
It's off we go
To the snow
To the snow

In Texas we know
More snow than show
A big fat lie we know
A big fat lie we know

Employing diesel generators
Unfreezing all the operators
Dirty dearer CO2 deployers
Dirty dearer CO2 deployers

Hi ho hi ho
It's off we go
To the snow
To the snow

Where the science denies the colding,

Just about everything the author used as an example is wrong;
The barrier reef is NOT dying, it is thriving; see Prof Ridd &
Jennifer Maronasay.
There have been less cyclones and less strength in those cyclones.
The temperature rise of the last 300 years is right on schedule and
peaked around 1990-2004 as part of the cycle known for centuries.

Bushfires were shown to have been less than some previous outbreaks
over the last hundred years or so.
The only one he did not raise was Islands drowning.
Aukland Uni people put that to bed with a majority of Islands being
now bigger than 1945.

It is with some pride that I read that Australia is near the top of the list of nations with a population sceptical of the whole climate change’ meme. Congratulations Oz!
I don’t think this article quite reaches the level of a tantrum, to reach that level I think it would need a statement like ‘we’re all going to die!! - real soon!. (Or words to that effect).
Raycom. So accurate in just 6 words.

Did I miss the mention of nuclear energy in this article?

I don't know Pete S, did you?
I am advocating nuclear energy that is not only a reliable dispatchable carbon-free first choice! But the cleanest cheapest and safest choice on the table!

See thorium in four minutes, or prize-winning investigative journalist and science writer, Richard Martin's tech talk on the same topic. Or that of former NASA scientist and nuclear technologist, Kirk, Sorensen, if you like to fact check my contribution!

Carbon tariffs will soon become a future reality, as nations like Indonesia abandon coal and gas in favour of MSR thorium shipped in and then anchored wherever the need is? They can. We can't?

Private enterprise cannot get the funding they need for coal-fired power and the government needs a new mandate to invest the taxpayer's money in new coal-fired power stations. And the ones we have now are now deep into there final years of viable operation! And simply cannot be replaced with wind or solar.

If we build gas-fired plants then have our production and or processing hit with carbon tariffs, they could easily become stranded assets? Which is why the investing community is waiting for sanity to prevail and the current prohibitions on the development of the nuclear energy option to be completely lifted and not saddled with radioactive rogue emissions standards that aren't equally applicable to coal and gas! Given the same standards prevailed, current coal and gas would fail! No smog or CO2! And the cheapest by far, option on the future table!

Nah, we don't want any of that? that'd make too many unearnt col-fired/gas-fired paydays disappear!?
Cheers, Alan B.

Galileo had a different problem with the authorities than the heliocentric (sun centered) model- it was about sun spots and the eternal heavens from memory... but yes I believe the Ancient Greeks were probably aware too- amongst others such as the neo-platonists- and stone circle peoples.

See link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_heliocentrism

To me there are too many people on the Earth- and that is the essential reason for environmental pollution- of which Global warming could be a part. The resulting conflict for resources between ethnicities and cultures has created a mexican standoff.

But to be fair to the articles author I should read it before commenting further

I've noticed that everyone except me wants to avoid discussing the fact that the AGW problem is too big to fix.

Shows that there is a lack of scholarly and scientific knowledge out there amongst a lot of people.

There was Greek, whose name I cannot remember who measured the length
of the shadow at noon of a stick in Northern Egypt then traveled south
into Nubia I think it was, and measured the length of the shadow
at noon, and from the difference calculated the diameter of the Earth.
He confirmed experimentally what many believed.
A nice bit of mathematics there.

Bazz

His name was Eratosthenes of Cyrene (which is in Lybia but was a Greek colony). He calculated the circumference to within 1% or so. He also calculated the earth's tilt to within 0.5%. He lived around 250BC.

What we know of him is based on other works because all his works are los,t probably in the fire in Alexandria's library in 48 BC but its also possible they were just purged later as heresy.

Mr O,
Its not a question of not wanting to discuss what you call a fact that its too big to fix. Its a case of fundamentally disagreeing with that notion (note: not a fact, just a fact-free opinion).

Far from it being a problem to big to fix, its not even clear its a problem requiring fixing.

Bazz

It is a fact that the AGW / climate change problem is now just too big to fix.

Just watch and see. Do you remember the nursery rhyme Humpty Dumpty and how they couldn't put Humpty together again?

"It is a fact that the AGW / climate change problem is now just too big to fix."

What? Warmists acknowledging that man can't control climate change? In that case they should simply learn to live with it.

Raycom,

Having a quinella on yourself?

Canem

the NY mayor Cuomo agrees.

Hey

does everyone want a couple of rea;yl really funnyl laughs.

Joe Biden, the illegitimate, and backward focused, US President has hopped in to help restore the power in Texas.

Wonderful and uniting... eh? you'd think?

He sent Texas Diesel Generators.

hahahaha

The us spaceship that flies around, who knows where, remotely in space, is powered by a Pratt nuclear fusion motor and flies at 12 mach. How the hell do you guide and land a raft that flies as 1000 kms an hour?

And China and Russia RULE when their intercontinental ballistic missiles can fly at double the US minuteman misses. oh they fly at 2 mach.

Hahahaha ... the world really did change under Trump.

Latest research suggests we are in a phase where the earth's polarity is switching. (the magnetic north is now halfway across Siberia.)
The last time this occurred was during a 12000, year period over 40,000 years ago.
Evidence is homosapiens, us, survived because we retreated into caves.

Some of us are still living in that mindset.

And funniest thing of all. My sides are still splitting.

The author, Campbell Macpherson isn't a scientist.

Dear mhaze,

Using the royal 'we' yet again?

Hasbeen is adamant that the world is cooling and the rest of your crew would never concede that humans were having an impact so it seems you are speaking for yourself.

Dear Hasbeen,

You wrote: “In South East Queensland we are having the coldest summer in my 30 years here. Days are about average, but I have never before seen everyone bearing jumpers on summer nights.”

Mate it must be your thinning blood because there isn't a single statistic which bears out what you are claiming.

The stats for Hervey Bay show the mean low temperature for January was 21.0 degrees. In 2016 it was 20.4. In 2003 it was 20.0 and in 2000 it was 20.7.

In December last year it was 21.8 which was higher than the year previously at 21.4, and the year before at 21.5, and the year before that at 21.0 and it goes on. In fact the last time it was higher was in 2009.

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=38&p_display_type=dataFile&p_startYear=&p_c=&p_stn_num=040405

Perhaps you might like to give me another town nearby to check although a medical check might be advisable.

Hooray, time for the nuclear ban to be lifted.
Oooooh, the waste! http://youtu.be/0JfJEK3R1k0
Oooooh, the cost! Before 2030 we have http://www.terrapower.com/
/ http://tinyurl.com/2lzbwers / http://www.nuscalepower.com/ and many more.
No waste burners yet but they're imminent. http://tinyurl.com/1rkgc2tp

Ooooooh, but intermittents and batteries!
The filth! http://tinyurl.com/4tuhv86n
The fire! http://tinyurl.com/y7tnnljr
The fantasy! http://tinyurl.com/36r2vc5v

Biden's election is forcing the Coalition's hand on nuclear. Fine by me http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/18/nationals-nuclear-push-shows-coalition-energy-policy-chaos-labor-says

In answer to- imajulianutter- Cuomo sounds like an a-typical Democrat Liberal- He's for fraking- still calls the right extreme- he's what you call a moderate- I have learned that being so called moderate has it's own problems- especially when the far left is controlling the acceptable dialog by "hysterical militancy" as per the "Overton Window".

It's interesting in the fraking issue that the Communist Left have adopted so called Green policies against Keynesian- jobs priority. But the communists are generally scornful of Keynesianism.

In my view what the Social Communists label "extreme right" is not even right in a sense it's a completely different dimension- it doesn't bear much relation to right policies in a sense. If one reads Patrick Deneen one understands better. Many on the so called far right are anti-Locke Liberal/ Traditional/ Localist/ anti-Universalists- they have a more subtle view of the concept of freedom than that is embodied in Locke and Mill theories. They prefer a so called positive rather than a negative view of freedom.

Both the political left and right are Locke-Liberal/ Universalist/ Globalist/ Progressives.

The so called far right and also perhaps the alternative-left (Rabbit) are none of these.

http://counter-currents.com/2016/01/introducing-the-alt-left/

Perhaps socialist William Morris 1800s could have been considered as a member of the Alt-Left perhaps- being also Localist, anti-Universalist, anti-Globalist. He similar to Dickens was concerned with extreme industrial era capitalism but still very British. Sadly he still seemed to mix with Marxists and this may have distorted his view.

The British Monarchy is localist (Communists would call it Nationalist/ Fascist/ Racist) and has a vested interest in the people of Britain.

In "The Prince" Machiavelli talks about the difference between British and Turkish governmental structures.

Hopefully my ramble makes sense.

Relax Canem, it made no sense at all !

Bazz said- "Relax Canem, it made no sense at all !"

Answer- No problems Bazz- let me know which words you don't understand. ;)
I'm sure you're familiar with "Communist hysterical militancy" probably being on the receiving end of it- as am I.

Prof Deneen- University of Notre Dame- wrote a book called "Why Liberalism Failed"

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/announcing-the-death-of-classical-liberalism/

http://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300223446/why-liberalism-failed#book-reviews

http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/12/understand-liberalism-failing-right-left-read-patrick-deneens-latest/

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/the-death-of-liberalism/9380788

The man made greenhouse gas phenomenon that is producing adverse climate change is TOO BIG TO FIX.

As American philosopher Roy Scranton has noted: humankind just has to learn how to die in the Anthropocene.

Canem,

the only reference I made to Cuomo was in response to your comment:

'To me there are too many people on the Earth-...'

I said 'Cuomo agrees'.

I thought the link to nursing home murders during the china virus obvious.

It was irony.

Your, in an odd response to a little quip, leapt onto your soapbox, in typical idealogue fashion, to explain. Your opinion on Communism etc is sadly full of misguided assumptions.

Have you. ever read the Communists Marx and Hittler?

mr Opinion,

latest research suggests we will survive the reverse polarity ... which is starting to be recognised as the cause of the Climate change ... ahhhh both the cooling and warming extremes.

Really why is it so hard to acknowledge the advance in science and knowledge. Much is being written at the moment, It's just that the climate changer alarmists are ignoring this field of science. The Main Stream Media, and their listeners, are too dumbed down to understand.

Intellectuals entertain the divergent theories and understand over time then truth will emerge to replace the simplistic beliefs and cant, in this case, of idealogue climate change alarmists.

This topic has been studied and talked about since the 1960's.
For Christ sake at least acknowledge knowledge and understanding changes and grows over a 60 year period ... in modern times it has been exponential.

So why is this not evidenced in the thinking of climate warming alarmisms? Their belief and cant hasn't change one iota in 60 years

SR,

" so it seems you are speaking for yourself.."

I always speak for myself. As I explained in a post in another thread, I don't base my opinions on what this group or that group thinks. Clearly that concept has gone over your head. I know that you desperately want to in the safety of the herd, but I'd prefer to be right than safe.

imajulianutter,

You are what I like to call a 'Quinella-ist'.

Dear mhaze,

So it does appear you have used the royal 'we'. Thank you.

Mr Opinion

For your information the only group of 'ists' I have ever acknowledged I have been aligned with begins with the letter P.

And since its 4.00pm in Qld and I'm sitting on my yacht, I'm about to rejoin that group ... once again.

However today I had another great climate change belly laugh.

I watched Fox tv and saw noted liberal Chis Wallace interview non scientist Bill Gates on the freezing of Texas.

Bill, the climate oracle, said the freeze was caused by the warm winds emanating in the Polar circle (north) were due to the accumulated CO2 presumably warming the place and presumable forcing the freeze to move into the south of Texas.

Now try as I might, with my knowledge that it is warm air that rises which then allows or 'drags in' cold air, I just cannot make sense of Oracle Bill's science.

Care to help explain Bill's science?

Gates also said the loss of power was due to the lack of protecting the wind turbines and fossil fuel generators from the cold, LIKE they do in Alaska and Canada.

Wallace being the Liberal he is, ignored, or more likely lacked the intelligence to connect the dots, to ask the obvious question.

WHY would you need to cold weatherise the generating infrastructure in Texas given that Texas is usually a warm place and with global warming is predicted to get warmer?

I'm sure you'll try to explain these gaffs, and it will give me another great climate change belly laugh tomorrow.

Cheers Mr opinion, you afford the opportunity for such fun... just like Wallace and the climate oracle Gates.

ps Gates has investments in wind turbines.

imajulianutter,

The AGW problem is TOO BIG TOO FIX.

It is not an anthropological problem and includes both extreme regional warming and cooling events.
eg the Coral sea has cooled hence no tropical cyclones from that region and is caused by cooling ocean currents flowing into it, in turn, caused by the movement of the South magnetic Pole and the Antartica continental ice cover moving east ward.

This isn't caused by anything humans have done unless you can tie the reversing polarity to humans ... which you cannot. The science confirms this move of the magnetic north to the west in the north and the magnetic south to the east.

You would improve yourself if you read more widely and opened up your mind to facts, data and science, that you currently overlook, through ignorance or a deliberate narrow focus.

Claiming things like rampant AGW, is what was done at the very beginning of this 'crisis' and even though knowledge and understanding has advance exponentially, you refuse to read or try understanding the new science.

imajulianutter,

In what way is it not an anthropological problem as you put it?

Simple spelling mistake.

Should read anthropogenic.

Have you. ever read the Communists Marx and Hittler?
Posted by imajulianutter

Answer- I've read the Communist Manifesto- I'm sure the naive lap it up- it put me into a coma- prior to this I thought The Politics was a boring read- though somewhat useful.

I mean to read Das Capital at some stage.

I'm not an expert on politics- but I'll fight for my right to think for myself- as everyone should- but some disagree for their own interest.

I find that Communists read the works of Hitler at many times the rate of so called Fascists (according to the Communists)- Traditionalists and Right Liberals (Republics, Australian Liberals). From memory I believe that Paul1405 has read Mein Kampf.

hi canem

on this subject I'd recommend reading James Burnham. The Managerial Revolution, 1945 and The Macheviallians, 1949. They allowed me a deeper understanding of today's politics

cheers

Hitler was a socialist its no wonder the communists read him and the right ignored him.

if you'd like a private discussion I'd certain;ly enjoy it. id allows online opinion to give you my email address. I've published here as Keith Kennelly.