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Dear shadowminister,

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You wrote :

« There were a number of flaws in the second impeachment trial of Trump … »
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Of course, shadowminister, nothing is perfect, but I can’t say there were any major “flaws” that would have had a significant influence on the course of the senate impeachment trial, given the extreme gravity of the charges.

That's as it may be, but I am sure you are disappointed with the way the American conservative party members have conducted themselves over the past few months. These have been very trying times for us all.

It is at times like these that the true value of individuals comes to the surface – with some surprising results. Right now, the GOP is in the eye of the storm and it has no choice but to batten down the hatches.

There is no sense in trying to find excuses for its behaviour. The GOP must do some soul searching and remind its members of its core values and the importance of upholding them at all times and in all circumstances, come what may and whatever the cost.

It must face up to reality and do whatever is necessary to set things right – with courage, honesty, firmness and determination.

I find it difficult to imagine the GOP maintaining Donald the dictator in its midst, given the severe condemnation of the role he played in the Capitol Hill insurrection, expressed by Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader in the senate, after having voted his acquittal at the impeachment trial.

Hopefully, the party will stand behind their senate leader and not let themselves be bullied and intimidated by Donald the dictator continuing to delude himself as permanently possessing 74 million votes. Nobody is the perpetual proprietor of anybody else’s vote.

We shall have to wait and see what happens during the next few weeks.

Whatever the outcome, there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that America needs a strong and upright conservative party just as much as it needs a bold and dynamic progressive party.

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Banjo, why do you and so many others keep abusing and insulting Trump. ALL the attacks and explanations attempting to make him something he is not and has never been, a traitor.
So please, like all the crappy media who insist on making the news, by exaggerating, lying even, about what Trump said and did.
Enough already, the guy may be a few bricks short of a garage, but you and your ilk, who keep lying and badgering him and his actions and words, are much worse.
Those who conduct themselves like the media and yourself, lack honesty and integrity.
What you and the rest of these pillocks are doing is no different to what he has been continually accused of.
For example, I find those with terret syndrome, extremely annoying, and yes I make fun of them given the right situation.
They can't help it, and yet, I still make fun of them.
Well Trump is no different.
I know what I am doing is not socially acceptable, and yet I still do it.
I feel that neither you nor anyone else is in a position to know exactly what is going on in govt, nor in his head.
So before you end up looking as stupid and foolish as the rest of the Democraps, I might suggest backing off on any negativities against Trump, unless you yourself have personally been a witness to or party to whatever slagging you feel the need to impart on or about him

Banjo,

In a normal trial, every one of these "flaws" would have been fatal to the prosecution trial. The simple fact that what Trump said did not meet the legal definition of incitement would be a major factor.

That I think Trump is narcissistic bore has nothing to do with the fact that this was a political show trial that failed.

Already some Republicans are saying that the bar for impeachment has been lowered to the point that Congress can impeach Biden and the only obstacle to this is getting a majority.

Hi Banjo,

Two-thirds of the Senators were required to vote for conviction. Only 57 did so. 57 %.

I wonder if any of those crowing about Trumpf getting off, also considered the 52 % of the British vote in favour of Brexit to be quite reasonable ?

Yes, yes, different jurisdictions, requirements, processes, etc., etc. But I suppose, for people without principle, a win is a win, no matter how.

So incitement the dregs of society against one's own government, in order to stay in power, although common in sh!thole countries, now is 'freedom of speech'. Orwell would be chuffed.

Joe

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Dear ALTRAV,

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You complain about all the criticism of Donald the dictator on OLO.
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Don’t worry, ALTRAV, you can rest assured that the criticism on OLO is the least of his worries.

I understand Donald the dictator is now facing several state and federal judicial investigations into his presidency and his role in the insurrection on Capitol Hill.

In addition, tonight, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared that Congress will establish an independent, Sept. 11-style commission to look into the deadly insurrection that took place at the U.S. Capitol.

Pelosi indicated that the commission will “investigate and report on the facts and causes relating to the January 6, 2021, domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex … and relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power.”

Maybe they’ll all find that Donald the dictator did nothing wrong, ALTRAV, and end up acquitting him, but he’ll probably have to spend some of those $275 million he pocketed from his gullible followers to prove it.

I doubt that he’ll spend any of it to get them out of jail for “trying to stop the steal”.

I suggest you just skip anything to do with Donald the dictator on OLO if it disturbs you. There's lots of other interesting subjects to comment on here.

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Dear shadowminister,

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If you’d like to send me precise details of the five “flaws” you listed in your previous post together with the relevant references so that I can check it all out, I’ll take a look at it and get back to you just as soon as I can.

But I’ll have to ask you to be patient as I’m going to be pretty busy this week.

Thanks.

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When the prosecution has a strong case, they don't need to fake evidence or hide evidence.

The Dems did both those things, demonstrating conclusively that their case had no basis in fact.

They made claims that certain words and phrases were proof of incitement. Then when video was shown of they themselves using those same words and phrases to rally the base, they pretended not to notice - much like the TDS crowd here, especially plannie and LM, are trying to do. When it was pointed out that they'd photoshopped a tweet to make it more compelling, they just stopped talking about it. When they altered the date on some exhibit to imply it applied to the riot when it was in fact written in 2020, they showed how weak their case was.

Evidence gets manufactured in show trials in totalitarian nations. Of course, if the Dems have their way, that is what the US will become.

They pretended grief over a policeman 'murdered' by the mob all the while knowing that wasn't true. (it reminds me of Clinton feigning grief over those killed in Benghazi and promising revenge while all the while knowing that the deaths were her fault). Only after the show trial was concluded did they start to admit that he died from other causes. (it reminds me of the fact that only after the election did they start to admit that their calculations as to WuFlu deaths was flawed, or fraudulent).

The funniest part for me was when they decided to call witnesses in the belief that that'd finally get the orange man. Then when they found out that the Republicans would call Pelosi and Harris and require that they answer truthfully (a novelty for them) under the threat of perjury, they couldn't drop the idea quickly enough.

So the orange man survives yet again. It is way more likely that he'll be a presidential candidate in 2024 than Xiden, and that gives him plenty of time to start to weed out the rats in the ranks.