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A future of infectious disease : Comments

By Peter Curson, published 8/1/2021

Since the first decade of the 21st century public health specialists and the WHO have warned us about the possible outbreak and spread of a new virulent infectious disease once referred to as Disease X by the WHO.

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Dear Bronwyn,

«Any wonder our relationship with China is in trouble when we have ignorant and provocative statements like this being put out in the public realm.»

Indeed a lame excuse: we did not need COVID in order to recognise the predatory nature of the Chinese cruel regime that oppresses anyone and anything that stands in its way. If something good came out of COVID, then it is this collapse in relationship - which should never have exited in the first place!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 8 January 2021 4:43:58 PM
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So AlanB says: "Thinkabit. Stand by all that I've written! And challenge you to put up or shut up! Perhaps D Trump is your expert source?"

Fine, I will then! Although most of this has been explained to him before but he just keeps ignoring/denying it. Which I bet the crotchety addled brained old fart will do again.

So point by point:

1) "You see just as oxygen is implicated in all healing."
Well at the concentration he's claiming (51% @ 1 atm) it is toxic to many life forms, us included.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity

2) "When our ancestors climbed down from the trees and started to walk upright. the percentage o oxygen in the atmosphere was around 51%."
He's talking about five million years ago. At that time the oxygen content is about what it is now. At no point in the planet's history has the oxygen content been 51%. When the earth first formed an atmosphere and for a long while afterwards there was little/no oxygen. The oxygen we breath is the result of biological activity, initially it was cyanobacteria transforming CO2 into O2, which caused a massive environmental change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geological_history_of_oxygen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event

3) "In order to increase the oxygen as a percentage of the atmosphere w need to seriously reduce the CO2 content and production."
CO2 is a very minor component by parts of the atmosphere, at <0.05% there is barely any there. The atmosphere is Nitrogen @ 78% then Oxygen @ 21% then the last 1% is all the minor and trace gases. Even reducing the CO2 content to zero would barely do anything to the O2 component.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere

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Posted by thinkabit, Friday, 8 January 2021 6:13:41 PM
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4) "Seawater can be vacuumed in vacuum towers and the gases vacuumed out then separated via fractional distillation."
Really? How naive is this man? The world's oceans have about 1.3 billion cubic kilometers of water, that's a lot! To put it in perspective the Amazon, the worlds largest river by discharge with a river mouth that is scores of kilometers wide, releases 6600 cubic km of water into the sea a year. It would take about 200,000 years for the Amazon to fill the oceans. And yet pea-brained AlanB thinks we mere humans could effortlessly build machines that could process a sizeable portion of the ocean's water to remove the CO2. But not only that he wants to fractionally distill the CO2 which would require cooling it to very cold temperatures, requiring stupendous amounts of power.
His project is simply not feasible- but besides that what would be the point? Well, he wants to then grow plants in glasshouses with the CO2 produced. They would certainly have to be gigantic greenhouses- like they would have to cover a decent part of the Earth's available land surface area.

So I could go but he just starts drivelling on with his grand plans and of course diverges onto his favourite BS about Thorium. I simply don't have enough word-limited space left to rebut the rest. In short, AlanB's ideas live in dreamland and are very detached from reality.
Posted by thinkabit, Friday, 8 January 2021 6:15:30 PM
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Hi Bronwyn,

Sorry, you misunderstood my point: I certainly don't assert that Chinese scientists developed this virus etc., etc., but that that was an option - amongst, as you say, many others. My main point was that many viruses originate from the trade between foragers living in forests, and town-based traders, farmers, etc. in 'bush-meat', captured animals and other possible sources of the virus.

Another option may be the bilge-water being released in Chinese waters (Wuhan is an inland port on the Yangtse but with access to the ocean 1500 miles away), which originate elsewhere: there is just the possibility that such bilge may have been taken on-board in waters around Italian cities such as Genoa.

And as the thread started by Don Aitkin pointed out, finding blame does not necessarily 'solve' the problem, or identify its origins. Until the source of the virus is identified, there is not much point in blaming anybody, but the urgent tasks of resolving the issues involved all remain.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Friday, 8 January 2021 6:48:05 PM
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No-one seems to want to focus on the decease that kills common sense ! Meaningless & pointless saturation education !
Posted by individual, Friday, 8 January 2021 9:41:15 PM
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Bronwyn is a Chinese plant. Blinding servile Beijing.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 9 January 2021 8:51:04 AM
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