CM,

Wow, scratch a fascist .....

Yes, maybe everybody should work until they drop, like our gr-grandparents had to do. Weak bastards. Maybe only pansy societies allow older people to retire and spend thirty-odd years at leisure, funded by others. Unless, of course, they've inherited great wealth.

You assert, why should young people, or working people, pay taxes to support bludging older people ? Perhaps because, sooner or later, they will grow old in their turn. Perhaps we can then feed them into grinders and desiccators, so that most of us (except those of us born into wealth), in time, can become fertiliser for future generations to consume ?

I think your philosophy has actually been tried before. It demonstrated the human potential for utter inhuman evil, but if it's your thing, then be honest and go for it.

Joe

Foul-Mouth and Bernie Masters,

Maybe one of you can give us an explanation of how increasing industrialization acts to lower the birth rate in a society.

Misop,

Dumb-dumb. The industrialisation of societies requires more skilled people, and fewer 'work-horses' who tend to be the women doing all the drudge work. In agricultural societies, women tend to have to do the bulk of the work AND have more children. John Caldwell found, fifty or more years ago, that universal education dramatically dropped the birth-rate in developing countries, by increasing the cost of education on the one hand, and pulled children out of the work-force on the other, at least until they were twelve or fourteen or fifteen.

When women gain more education, they tend to have fewer children, not to mention the obvious that they are more likely to stay in better-paying jobs. And of course, the pill helps. One reason developed countries have such low birth rates is that women have taken to education and chosen careers over children.

If you ever go to university, you may learn all of this in more detail.

Joe

Foul-Mouth,

You are on the right track but you have not grasped the actual relationship between women and births that results in a lowering of the birth rate in industrializing societies.

You think women become educated so automatically population starts to decline and that you don't need to understand anything beyond that because somehow in your world everyone should know it too.

I could tell you the answer, but I won't. I'm content to know that I know and you don't.

Everyone, please ignore Mr Opinion. I think he's a Russian bot designed to try and make us all look stupid or ignorant. To date, he's contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion, so just ignore him.

Thanks, Bernie, will do :)

Cheers,

Joe