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Australia can’t afford to bite its tongue on China : Comments

By John Lee, published 11/12/2020

Beijing seeks to punish Australia for daring to make sovereign decisions and warding off others from trying to do the same.

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Predictably MICHI

In your NIPPON NAZI parallel universe you so primitively explain away Japan's history of atrocities to Chinese.

So MICHI - where you claim in Nanking, China "The Japanese did not have composure or time to sift combatants and non-combatants accurately."

Did the 10,000s of chidren and babies Japanese soldiers unambiguously tortured then bayoneted upset YOUR "composure" MICHI?

Noting http://youtu.be/CHO6GTMyy_U .

How old were you during the 1937 Nanking Massacre MICHI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre ?
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 20 December 2020 4:13:33 PM
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Continued from above.

You cannot enter Tibet or Xinjiang. Entry into and exist from Nanjing was not forbidden, It was free for Chinese and Westerners during the carnage or anytime. Westerners could have contact with the outside and report freely without inspection. In Paris it was reported that about thirty thousand Chinese were murdered. Life, a US pictorial magazine, said about forty thousand. Even if these numbers were correct, the number of soldiers who died in battle or who fled in civilian clothes could be subtracted from them.

The Japanese and Chinese governments agreed to set up a joint team to investigate the atrocities about twenty years ago. When they discussed how studies should be conducted, the Japanese said that they could figure out an approximate number of victims, the Chinese said it was unnecessary. The joint team ended doing nothing.

I am busy to-dye. So I will go back to my main thread next time.

To be continued.
Posted by Michi, Sunday, 20 December 2020 4:29:17 PM
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Michi,

Why are you in a hurry to dye?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 20 December 2020 4:36:05 PM
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Hi Mr Opinion

I suspect ageless Michi won't by "dyeing" his last Japanese silk print any time soon.

I hear Michi was the most "misunderstood" Propaganda Whisperer in Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere history.

One of Michi's more "moderate" bosses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojo#Arrest,_trial,_and_execution
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 20 December 2020 5:44:40 PM
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I've altered the poem below for Australian conditions. A Hap Hap Merry Christmas to all:

T'was just days before Christmas,
And all through the town,
People wore masks,
That covered their frown.

The frown had begun
Way back last Summer,
When a global pandemic
Made life a Bummer.

They called it Corona,
But unlike the beers,
It didn’t bring good times,
It only brought tears.

Contagious and deadly,
This virus spread fast,
Like a bushfire that starts
When lightning strikes parts.

Airplanes were grounded,
Travel was banned.
Borders were closed
Across air, sea and land.

As the world entered lockdown
To flatten the curve,
The economy halted,
And folks lost their nerve.

From March to July
We rode the first wave,
People stayed home,
They tried to behave.

When Spring emerged
The lockdown was lifted.
But some became careless,
Some of us drifted.

Now it’s December
Northern Hemisphere cases spiking,
In SYDNEY as well,
Not much to their liking.

Frontline workers,
Doctors and nurses,
Try to save people,
From riding in hearses.

This virus is awful,
This is COVID-19.
And only just now
Hopeful vaccines.

It’s true that this year
Has had sadness a plenty,
We’ll never forget
The year 2020.

And just ‘round the corner -
The holiday season,
Can we be merry?
Is there even a reason?

To decorate the house
And put up the tree,
Maybe no one will see it,
No one but me.

But outside my window
The Sun shines strong,
And I think to myself,
One day Good comes along!

So, I gather the ribbon,
The garland and bows,
As I play those old carols,
My happiness grows.

Christmas is not cancelled
And neither is hope.
If we lean on each other,
I know we can cope.

Merry Christmas to All!

Including Michi :)
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 20 December 2020 9:11:15 PM
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Mr. Opinion & plantagenet,

The wikipedia article, Hideki Tojo, is a good report for a junior & senior high school student. It's full of mistakes.
It said somewhere to the effect that Tojo was not leading the army; he was being pushed by it. This is right. And the army was composed of factions or groups of men of different thinking. And the army was one of different elite groups in Japanese politics, the influence of which varied depending on issues. Focusing on him will not bear good fruit. "But, unlike the Italian and German case, there was no dictator and the system was not the product of a well-defined, popular movement, but a more vague change of mood, a shift in the balance of power between the elite groups, and a consequent major shift in Japanese politics (Reischauer, The Japanese, p. 100)."

The wikipedia article says, "The Hull note.. strongly implied that the United States might recognize 'The Empire of Manchukuo' and did not impose a deadline for the Japanese withdrawal from China,"
The withdrawal of the army from China was one of the most contentious issues in the US-Japanese negotiations. Japan had agreed to it but Hull insisted on its withdrawal within a few months after the agreement.
Hull handed two Japanese ambassadors the note on November 26, 1941. Ambassador Kurusu was shocked and asked him if he meant by it that the US would not consent even to a modus vivendi that Japan had proposed. Hull's reply was vague and did not deny it.
Hull then called Secretary of War Stimson and said that he had washed his hand off it all and that he, Stimson and Navy Secretary Knox should step in and take over it all.
On Nov. 28, President Roosevelt was fearful if Japan might not respond to it militarily and talked with Knox and said that he wanted to know if
anything was to be done in the nature of an ultimatum again.

Robert Butow/Tojo and the Coming of War will give you knowledge if you want to know about my old boss.
Posted by Michi, Sunday, 20 December 2020 9:36:31 PM
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