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Climate change, models, recent long-term temperature data and energy policy: is Covid-19 affecting our leading minds? : Comments

By Charles Essery, published 6/11/2020

Having an opinion about climate change, let alone declaring it, is now the centre of personal, political and international disputes.

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Whether or not climate change is real or not could be deemed potentially irrelevant. The earth naturally goes through heating and cooling cycles, species either adapt and survive or they don’t. Having said that I see a great need to explore alternative and preferably clean energy sources if only to get off the teat of questionable countries that control / produce the worlds oil supply.
A greater threat to humans imho is social inequality and the endless succession of political plonkers who lack any real vision or determination to leave things better than how they found them.
Posted by ViolentEntropy, Saturday, 7 November 2020 7:41:50 AM
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ViolentEntropy,

What would you say are the causes of social inequality?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 7 November 2020 9:27:40 AM
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Mr Opinion
The answer to your question deserves an entire article to itself.
Modern democratic societies seem to be hell bent on killing the middle class.
Back in say, maybe the 1950’s, the post war boom empowered the middle class through large scale infrastructure and home building strategies. Education was supported and our healthcare was viewed as a right not a privilege.
There were clear delineations across these classes.
The have nots
The have enoughs
The have mores
The have more than enough

Look to now
The have nots still exist, always have always will
The have enoughs need to work so much harder to stay in this rung, dual incomes required or multiple jobs per income earner.
The have mores are able to extend beyond the have enoughs due to the disposable income that can be put into investments, shares property etc.
The have more than enough are able to leapfrog all and have created a new class of have more than they know what to do with.

If one looks at corporate remuneration the captains of industry are earning wages way above what was an earlier % above what the workers in the company were receiving.

So, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. And the middle struggle.

It is a dangerous trajectory. The French Revolution attests to this.

Apologies for the clumsy response here. The problem is complex, the solutions are not simple, the consequence of inaction Is dire.
The income divide will be our nemesis well before climate change kicks in to allegedly create chaos. Climate change will create chaos, however out of every crisis comes opportunity, no prize for guessing which class will be able to seize this opportunity And make a motza.
Posted by ViolentEntropy, Saturday, 7 November 2020 10:19:52 AM
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Leading minds? Based on what criteria? IQ, critical thinking ability? Able to collect and collate all the available data? Or like the Author, cherry-pick whatever confirms a confirmation bias?

It's the sun some say, and as far as that goes, correct. It's cyclical others correctly say.

The sun has a pulse, that pumps as it were, around every 200 years. It waxes, [heats up a little, the ice retreats and sea levels rise.]

It wanes, [the joint cools, the ice advances and sea levels decline/go down.]

What cannot happen is the former ice melt/retreat phenomena during a waning phase! Which is where we've been in since the mid-seventies. (NASA)

And highlighted by record temperatures, unprecedented heatwaves, droughts so severe as to defy living memory! And where the second hottest year, 2017 occurring during a La Nina event! Followed by unparalleled firestorms and loss of native species of around a billion and our bone dry topsoil blown across the ditch to NZ. And a smoke plume that circled the globe!

All indicators that the climate is out of whack! It matters not what occurred previously according to naturally occurring cyclical climate change that changed with the routine regular solar pulse and consequent waxing and waning phases.

Simply presenting historical data changes nothing, proves naught but there was a normal cyclical change that has absolutely no bearing on what is happening now!

What counts is how we address what we can with what we have and I've already presented some of the more compelling options available, Ad Infinium.

Adroitly ignored by those with conflicting interests/incomes generated by coal/fossil fuel?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 7 November 2020 10:25:33 AM
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Moron people are renewables too !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 7 November 2020 11:48:09 AM
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It is not climate change that is affecting any minds, but how much money they can make by climbing on the climate change gravy train, makes many lose their minds.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 7 November 2020 5:59:39 PM
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