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The Declaration of Human Rights? : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 20/10/2020

The Declaration has special significance. It was written at the end of the Second World War, and is imbued with the triumphal tone of victory.

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Don the dreamer!

“what is food for one man may be bitter poison to others“

That Don is a view increasingly shared here in Australia on the madness this topic has become!

Hitler didn’t invent anti semitism, he simply capitalised on it for political gain.
The US was equally anti Semitic: and continued to be from wars end, when this document was formulated.

During the progress of the Nuremberg trials, the US were secreting useful nazis into its research departments.

Any port in a storm!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 7:58:03 AM
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Question mark indeed.

Liberty or licence, you can't have both.
Here in Stralya it's all licence now and few seem to see the problem with that.
Posted by jamo, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 7:58:47 AM
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The Declaration of Human Rights matters in Australia, in our region and across the world. It matters at the UN. It needs to guide our democracy and foreign policy. It needs to support better social, economic and environmental outcomes for all Australians and citizens of the world.

Sadly the political elites in the West and at the UN have at times paid only lip service to the Declaration of Human Rights. A case in point is the decade long UN involvement in the Cultural Genocide of Macedonia and Macedonian identity, culture, rule of law and human rights in partnership with the USA, NATO and the EU. This is unjust, illegal and unsustainable.
Posted by Macedonian advocacy, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 8:04:30 AM
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Here is another thought bubble Don.

You pack up your personal gear in a suitcase with a two man tent, and go live on the footpath as ever increasingly Australians are doing, while they make way for the foreign hordes disguised as refugees, given priority to the five percent government owned social housing.

Stop supporting causes and making rules others have to live by.
Add to this for example, a power supply so expensive the poor sit through winters in unheated apartments, and summers too hot to handle with no air conditioning.
More wailing from your type, where others pay with a nightmare, while you snooze in a cosy dream.

Hospitals given over to foreigners while Australians go begging for medicall attention.

Wake up Don.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 8:22:32 AM
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It should be noted that Islamic countries do not recognise the
UN Human Rights treaty. They have their own "Human Rights".
The odd thing is Pakistan who has the worse human rights performance
has been recently appointed to the UN Human rights commission !

It would be a great joke if the treaty did not leak into Australian legislation.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 8:54:07 AM
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I agree with the declaration and as it was written. And should also be in our own constitution, as part of a bill of inalienable rights! The fact that we stand alone as the remaining western democracy without a bill of human rights, is self evidently the result of elected control freaks who are always threatened by such documents and enshrined in law, irrefutable human rights!?

We look and sound like the world's greatest hypocrites as we critique China and other countries over their perceived human rights abuses? But leave the door ajar for that or similar abuse to occur here, depending on the size of the bank balance/political influence?

Such as, to be incarcerated at a minister's discretion and little else for days or weeks? And apply the law differently to this or that demographic, depending on the aforementioned influence or ethnicity?

If there's any other valid reason or reasons, for our own lack of a bill of inalienable human rights, it/they completely escapes me, and dare I say every other rational, thinking Australian!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 11:36:24 AM
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Agree that putting Pakistan, China an Russia, on the U.N. Human rights commission, is a travesty and an entrenchment of systematic human rights abuse, without any functioning preventative body oversight. And that such dubious appointments by such entities? Makes the declaration all but worthless!

And means, we can't count on it or the U.N., but need to write our own and include in our own constitution! ASAP! And indeed put those who resist, regardless of their political stripes, last on the ballot paper, at the very next opportunity! That's the only way we'll get meaningful change/reform here! Alternatively, can wait until hell freezes over!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 11:52:52 AM
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Our accidental Prime Minister doesn't believe in HR or freedom of speech because it "doesn't create one job". After that ludicrous statement, he went on to put 1 million Australians out of work with his China virus panic.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 2:48:17 PM
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The UN Declaration of Human Rights doesn't cover all of the UN Principles of Human Rights see...

http://www.un.org/en/sections/what-we-do/protect-human-rights/

As Don Aitkin has said some of the UN Human Rights principles are contradictory. I like that he mentions that the family and education and how they are implemented are considered important considerations in The UN HR Declaration. He also mentions that the declaration was a document of the era in which it was created- perhaps indicating that some of the principles are not based on "timelessness".

To Don Aitkin's credit this was a fairly balanced article... perhaps there was some moderate bias in it's support. Compared to the ABC Media this article was pretty fair.

That being said I'm very concerned that in the current era the UN is doing much more harm than good.

Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt influential in creating "The UN Declaration" were "lefties" from what I remember of their policies. Unlike Teddy Roosevelt who was a (Left or Centre??) Republican. This left bias colours international politics since the late forties. Even the US Declaration is based on the social progressivist principles of tabula rasa global universalism advocate John Locke.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 9:59:02 PM
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None of the Islamic countries have signed up to the UN Human Rights.
They have their own "Human Rights" declaration.
It does not stop them being appointed to the UN Human Rights Commission.
In fact one of them chaired the commission for a time. Saudi Arabia ?
Anyway changes are on the way, Pakistan is officially moving that the
UN declare that criticism of Islam be declared a crime.
Have you heard anything of that in our local media ?
Oh no, that would be Islamophobia ! For our sake, wake up !
Don't laugh, it already is a crime in Britain.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 30 October 2020 1:41:59 PM
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To Bazz- Yes the capitulation to the Muslims by the British is extremely concerning for the western world. Thanks for mentioning it. Kudos.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 12:28:20 PM
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Indeed Calum, in France the Muslims have laid it on the line in a
very clear manner.
The French have to ban any criticism of Islam or expect more attacks.
It is all because of the terrible treatment handed out to muslims
in France.
It is the French who are the villains in this and don't you forget it !
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 2:31:35 PM
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Yes Canem, got it right this time.
Note the armed attack in Vienna today.
Not much info but the Austrian government has said it was a major
terrorist attack by a team of armed men. They have called in the army.
The escalation to SAS type action signals the start of warfare.
It is about time Europe realised they are being invaded.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 2:39:51 PM
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The attack in Vienna was on a Synagogue and bars in the same street.
The victims escaped after killing several people as the police search for them.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 3:16:50 PM
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Bazz- See the links below... very concerning...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/shots-fired-near-vienna-synagogue-prompting-massive-police-operation/

"Terrorists opened fire at several sites Monday evening in central Vienna, including in the area of a major synagogue and the offices of the Jewish community, killing at least two people and wounding 15. Several suspects were still at large after midnight, Austrian authorities said."

"Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz and Interior Minister Karl Nehammer both said the incidents were a terror attack with multiple perpetrators. "

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/29/france-church-attack-what-we-know-so-far

The attack took place on Thursday at about 8.29am local time (07:29 GMT), and came just days after thousands rallied across France in solidarity with teacher Samuel Paty, who was beheaded for having shown pupils cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

It was not immediately clear if Thursday’s attack was connected to the cartoons, which Muslims consider blasphemous.

http://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vandalism-at-hundreds-of-french-churches-n509gwb0d

The communists and Locke Liberals and Politicians still claim that multiculturalism works- the populations of countries need to call out this policy for what it is- a lie. But they are afraid of losing their jobs and of being attacked by lefties.

Please start standing up for your own interest- your future- and your nation- no one else will.

Courage above all things is the first quality... Clausewitz

Europe is for the Europeans- Dalai Lama.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 4:34:18 PM
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The videos of the attack in Vienna have all been taken down from Twitter. Just tried two of them but they do not exist.
Now you must understand that these attackers are not,they are victims !
Now understand the new rules, under Sharia Law it is a crime to
criticise Islam.
When the UN makes that part of the Human Rights treaty all countries
will be expected to make it part of their law.
Pakistan is already discussing this with the UN.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 6:38:39 PM
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When I studied international law at Uni, many many years ago,, I took up an option to write a piece on the UN Declaration of Human Rights. This was before Saddam Hussein broke away from the CIA to rule Iraq on his own and I posed a few thoughts which my lecturer rejected but which within a year all came shockingly true.
Anyway, what has become of the UNHRC since? When a state like Qatar can be a current member and yet perform gross violations of the rights of women passengers traversing (and not by choice) through their airport. When they can arrest and jail women who are RAPED, because they have laws that do not allow any form of sexual activity outside of marriage.
And they are not alone. Pakistan also treats rape victims in an identically disgraceful manner.
China, a past and future member of the UNHRC, treats Ruhingars as slaves. Sends them to forced re education/ torture camps. denies any freedoms to the people of Hong Kong...
Then we have Saudi Arabia, past Chair of the UNHRC. Where women's rights are non existent.
Now add a vast number of other nations where women are treated as second or even third class citizens. Look at some of the disgraceful anti women activities there in recent times alone.
And I could so easily go on.
What is the UN doing about the human rights of women? Of other races? Of a nation's own subjects?
Why is the UN and the UNHRC soooo quiet on Mr Erdogan jailing his own journalists, his own Judges, educators, soldiers and police for not agreeing with his tyranny? On his relations that support Syrian rebels, genocidal acts against Armenians, threats to go to war against HELLAS, active support of ISIL...?
We need to wonder, after all of this and much more, if the Declaration has become no better than an old musty news sheet OR if it still has some potential benefit to the world.
Posted by Ange, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 5:23:03 PM
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