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The business of ending poverty : Comments

By David Hale, published 18/9/2020

We may need some people to get out of the business of ending poverty. So, this is not a call for more volunteers to the cause, but fewer.

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In Piketty, all societies have "inequality regimes" and justifying narratives.

Steve S.

Yes, but there’s more to that...

The calamity for Australian workers was Keating/Hawke years.
Away went Australian jobs to Asia with little regard for consequences.
The changes were too quick for appropriate adjustments towards a service industry economy, the only alternative to a collapse of manufacturing.

High immigration levels maintained pressure on wage growth, a deliberate policy.
John Howard’s antagonistic view of workers and their trade Union affiliations.

A huge capital drain from labour intensive industries directed towards real estate With its boom and bust outcomes continued to drag down workers, saddling them with historic levels of debt.

Pikettys’ solutions will not be popular on these pages, but hold good merit.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 19 September 2020 4:40:06 PM
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The business of poverty- Yes charity organizations seem to rely on the disadvantaged- and create a cycle of entrenched disadvantage. Not that charity workers don't have some sense of empathy with disadvantaged- but empathy can lead to a victimized dependency.

Also as mentioned by the author- in the two sided market the organizations focus on the victim's issues fail to recognize the entrenched society structures such as forced mass competition and it's complicity in unemployment, powerlessness and poverty.

In fact it seems that most people are in a sense one step away from poverty- most people aren't independently self sufficient- and are very vulnerable to the arbitrary natures of governments, markets and more recently political correctness
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 19 September 2020 5:29:16 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Piketty

Piketty appears to be relatively intelligent but seems to be overly influenced by Trotskism.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 20 September 2020 7:38:27 AM
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The solution is cooperative capitalism comrade. And the removal of the political potato heads who oppose and dismantle it on every level.

The Hawke/Keating years were disastrous, inasmuch they included the start of dismantling of our manufacturing base and the last of the people's politicians removed and replaced by career pollies working against the true national interest and for powerful vested interest.
(R.M. and co?)

Also manifesting in the Public servant class which went from helpful to pedantic and ridgly unhelpful! As the first and primary goal became, I believe, the expansion of personal empires and control.

I mean the disposable masks supplied to health workers in most cases are not a good seal.

And when that was proven for all to see along with the fact that an unapproved here but approved in the UK an the US reuseable respirator povided both better protection, 99.9%! The whistleblower punished?

The reusuable, more cost-effective over time, as well, was money well spent and money well saved by eliminating/overriding/willfully disobeying, the penny-wise pound-foolish paradigm the pervades the public service and our politial circles.

Our ability to waste public money in pursuit of political outcomes and personal fiefdoms is legendary, and in no small measure contributes to the growing chasm between the diminishing haves and the expanding have nots; and endemic generational poverty.

I mean the one branch of government we just do not need, state governments, costs us more than 70+ billion P.A. Just for the perverse pleasure of having their duplication and middleman style of, staggering from crisis to crisis, often corrupt, government.

That 70+ annual billions would be better spent on developing various co-ops that make all manner of stuff! That effectively replace imports and expand into niche export markets!

Don't give the poor minuscule handouts that entrench the problem but put them to work and concequently, lift us all higher up the social-economic ladder! There are just no downsides here for anyone save the control freaks and empire-building bureaucrats!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 20 September 2020 11:47:23 AM
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The secret to eliminating poverty is to put everyone who can, to work.
No ifs, no buts, no procrastination - on either side - just demand this as the price for participation in communal society.

Sure, there are better ways of employing people and their individual talents - while maintaining their individual integrity and human rights - and better industries and commerce to develop, towards national security and self-sufficiency and less reliance on global markets, as well as maintaining greater environmental integrity and resilience and bio-dynamic-security.

No more forests destroyed or farmlands violated or minorities bullied.
Manageable immigration in the interest of global peace and security.

No-one should borrow more than they can afford to repay; limits placed on credit card use and use of the buy-now-pay-later industry; and people assisted moderately to live within their means.

Work hard, study hard, make good choices, and take pride in belonging to the best Nation on Earth.

Flat tax perhaps, affordable high-quality public services available to all, and responsible government living within national means.

Want something? Earn it - and don't count on handouts.
No man is an island.
Posted by Saltpetre, Sunday, 20 September 2020 3:54:39 PM
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Saltpetre

Well here is the question you forgot to mention: who changed the situation of your tidy outline from what it was, (as you well described), to the mess Australia represents today; so far away from anything sustainable but increasing poverty of the nation, cursed with inequalities which the blinded nation has been led to believe are “ Only Black Lives Matter” and the non urgency of gay rights and gay marriage to be given an unequal share of attention and resources better destined towards addressing real poverty and GENUINE inequality.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 20 September 2020 4:45:08 PM
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