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The business of ending poverty : Comments

By David Hale, published 18/9/2020

We may need some people to get out of the business of ending poverty. So, this is not a call for more volunteers to the cause, but fewer.

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I find ttbn has beaten me to the obvious four word response, and it's very rare that we ever concur!

Poverty is a very important issue. But it's not just about income; it's about access to resources. We need to eliminate the situation where a lack of resources prevents people from fully participating in society. And even more urgently, we need to eliminate the poverty trap, which is where meeting people's immediate needs is so much of a problem that it prevents long term issues from being addressed.

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Hasbeen,
How many people have to die from lack of intervention before you abandon the Yes Minister view of social workers?
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:50:31 AM
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Before we can end poverty we need to end those factors central to its creation,i.e., the political animal/enthusiast! And the way we elect political candidates!

We need to deal,out the backroom power brokers and dirty deals done in the dead of night!

To that end we need overdue electoral reform and primaries that see just two final candidates standing and contesting this or that seat a opposed to a minor persentage preselecting for the vox populi!

Or worse, a high profile "yes man" party hack, parachuted in to keep the elected dictators who rule us, entrenched on the treasury benches.

Imagine if there were no preference that could then be swapped, thanks to primaries that ended them? And with that event, the disappearance of irrelevant, roadblock minor parties! Or candidates getting in with as little as 3% of the popular vote!

I will conclude later with a recipe that ends poverty everywhere we can apply the self-evident cure.

All that prevents it are the puppet politicians who serve their political masters and elected dictators!

Where this not so, we wouldn't have poverty, bloodbaths and war fought over deminishing resources,i.e, arable land and water. TBC
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 18 September 2020 12:20:22 PM
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Ending povery does not start wih those with the least getting less/giving more, Dan!

It starts with a source of energy the most impoverished can afford!

And endless affordable potable water, cost-effective enough for broad-scale irrigation on food and fibre crops!

And those two are MSR thorium and power prices as low as 1.98 cents PKWH. And new space age desalination.

And those community-owned and operated power co-ops used to power up also community-owned and operated deionisation dialysis desalination co-ops. And endless repeated everywhere we can, starting here at home with government-funded and facilitated community co-ops.

On the clear understanding that these investments return 2.5 dollars for every one committed, in co-op creation. That then as income earning entities go on to pay generous salaries and create superior conditions, plus pay a fair share of a common tax burden as an unavoidable 15% flat tax.

And given that is the paradigm we choose to adopt, only limited by population numbers and the missing political will.

I mean the very next boom is to be the food boom. the co-op model examplified can also be used to replace this or that import and to a large extentent produce and deliver cheaper than the import, regardless of the source!

And given my prefered energy source. Nuclear waste or thorium burning MSRs and cooperative capitalism, any manufactured goods!

Let's not give demeaning handouts to the impoverished, let's instead put them into productive work in industries they have some pride and skin in! And no industry one can imagine is neccesarily excluded. Vehicles, metals smelting seawater to fuel production, graphene highways etc-etc.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 18 September 2020 12:56:00 PM
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Caution Alan B, Foxy, Mr opinion & Paul1405 et al will gang up on you for denigrating all these valuable Public Servants who studied so hard for their BA to get a career in making life difficult for decent folk.
Posted by individual, Friday, 18 September 2020 6:53:19 PM
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In Piketty, all societies have "inequality regimes" and justifying narratives.

His point is, inequality briefly got better, over 1910-1980, and now it is indisputably getting worse. Politics has no answers to this.
Posted by Steve S, Saturday, 19 September 2020 5:04:21 AM
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In the worst examples of poverty, small gifts to the village of an ox, a plough, a water well with a windmill pump, all managed by the industrious women folk, saw an almost miraculous change.

If an also donated bicycle or two were added with carrier racks, their excess production could be carried to market to create a cash flow they could also use to buy a few solar panels, a sewing machine and a washing machine or two. And a slow and gradual improvement in their economic lot!

To two or three generations later a transformed middle-class society/trading nation, with schools, hospitals/a domestic manufacturing base, etc.

Not for nothing is it writ large from little things, big things grow?

Two-thirds of the worlds households have no washing machine/condemns the womenfolk to dawn to dusk lives of endless servitude/endemic, endless, generational poverty!

Similarly, in so called advanced societies, where the "aspirational individual" is preferenced at the expense of community spirit?

We create postcode poverty traps/generational poverty by systematically concentrating too much of our finite wealth in too few hands!

And with that paradigm and the robber barons it created, ushered in the subsequent Great Deression!

Given that is the destructive paradigm in play/compounded by a world wide pandemic, heading for more of the same, aided and abetted by dithering, do SFA, populist pollies and their expensive short-termism, where both ends are played against the middle!

Those ends (tools, fools, hasbeens) encouraged to believe, if things are improved for the great unwashed, it'll be at their expense! When if fact, the very opposite is the truth!

If you want to change your lives and your world my friends? It needs to start with the only thing you have absolute control over. The bogus, implanted, inculcated, thoughts you care to entertain in your heads and with them, your every erroneous attitude and fallacious belief!

And with that change, enable a change at the ballot box that renews anew community spirit and the missing cooperative capitalism!

After all, we're all in this together, for all time!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 19 September 2020 11:52:34 AM
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