There will be a day when we've beaten this virus and possibly after the next Federal election? When the emphasis will be on a economic recovery from a Great Depression-like state of affairs.

We can return to what we had and did, with predatory parasitic business models and rationale getting all the guernseys?

Then set ourselves for decades of, the same old, (lead in the saddle bag) business as usual and little progress, save for the crime rate! Which will go through the roof as a survival stratergy for the poor and downtrodden we create with the, business as usual, predatory parasitic business model, i.e., explotative capitalism?

Alternatively, if intelligently led!? And that's a BIG IF? We could adopt a Great Depression-era style, new deal and the cooperative capitalism that led to a period of unprecedented prosperity and growth, that of itself, made the comparative, huge debt burden they'd accrued, simply disappear!

A good template for a recovery that just does not leave the least among us, behind! When the catch cry will have to be, Automate or perish.

And when the NBN will come into its own to eliminate the parasitic, paper shuffling middleman from all sectors of a (co-ops) factory direct economy to allow the recovery to proceed at maximun possible velocity!
Alan B

Sorry AlBy,

Yours is a spent dream.
Already the groundwork for recovery (sic), is established, as over on the other page explains.
It's as before, weeping and wailing for the down trodden Chinese middle class and any excuse to overpopulate Au.
It'll be suck up to the Chinese communist Party by the abandonment of any consistent or acceptable ethics or morals, and sell, sell, sell.

Nothing will change except more nailing-in for the wealthy; with a big inclusion of the political class who coincidentally make rules to suit themselves, with no penalty for breaking them.

Dan

12 more dead today, plus 466 new cases. Andrews should be thinking hard about taking anything else from China before he signs up to the BRI with them.

Aidan,

"Violins hadn't been invented back then, but who's to say he wasn't doing another kind of fiddling?"

The fiddling idea is a recent invention. The ancient accusation was that he was playing his lyre. But an accusation from those who loathed him.

" it's more likely to have been done on his orders than not. Nero had the most to gain from the fire, as it cleared the way for his grand rebuilding of Rome."

Its always fraught to assume that those who benefit from an event, caused the event eg the USA came out of WW1 better placed than any other nation, but clearly didn't cause WW1. (and myriad other examples).
Also remember that Nero later became a reviled figure, and that his successors (the Flavians) had an interest in denigrating him to justify their usurping of power.
And finally, Rome was prone to fire for most of its history. Crassus, a century earlier, had become, by some calculations, the wealthiest man who ever lived, based on his private fire-brigade.

So its more likely that the fire started as an accident (like the fire of London) and just got away. Then to contain it, officials lit fire-breaks which some saw as causing the fire and also allowed some places to burn in order to control the fire elsewhere, as they did in London and as we do with bush-fires.

We'll never know, but I come down on Nero's side here. Once rumours started that he was to blame, he sought a scape-goat and the Christians, already a problem were perfect.

'Not everything a dehumanised (pussy groping) Trump does is unethical or deranged?'

locker room talk that apologised for Alan B. Then ask any women if they prefer a bloke talking c ap in the locker room or Joe who sticks his fingers where they are not wanted. Then again you get most things wrong like the lying liberal left media.

Dearest runner.

In the trenches during the WW1, the mortar platoon was nicknamed the "s*it and runs".

The reason for that was, after firing a volley of mortars towards enemy lines, they would pack up quickly before a return volley from the enemy caused them personally any harm.
Unfortunately for the troops in set positions, no similar choices.

Why this story? Engaging Allan B in any normal return fire, is generally not going to happen. Our glorious Al is platoon commander of the mortars.

Dan