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How did we get to this dire state of affairs? : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 4/8/2020

As I survey our state of the Union, I feel deeply troubled and dismayed, wondering why and how we here in America got to this dire state of affairs in which we find ourselves.

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3 years of lies re Russian delusion, Ukraine delusion, Race politics and fake news and the author agrees with the lying liberal left media and all others with their fingers in the public trough. One suspects once the election is over the Coronavirus will be put back in its proper place in the media. If Trump wins against the odds the media and elite will need another reason to oust an elected president. The only problem is the amount of death and destruction due to demolished business's and people's mental health will far far worse than all the unfortunate deaths caused by China. Disgraceful article based on disgracefully untrue narratives.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 1:51:30 PM
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wondering why and how we here in America got to this dire state of affairs in which we find ourselves.
Alon Ben-Meir,
Are you really that thick to need to ask this question ? It was YOUR lot, the Academics who are the sole cause of it & you're putting the question to us ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 1:55:10 PM
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Alon,

Really to blame Trump for the state of affairs in the US is quite as mindless as saying Western Civilisation will be improved by adopting Marxism.

The decline of the US has been in process since WWII. the only blip were the eight years of Ronnie Reagan.

If you were a little more widely and better read and were familiar with one or two of the great US commentators, thinkers and philosophers of the 20th century, you would understand your own limitations, as displayed in your article.

I'd suggest two books for you to read. Both are intellectual and difficult reading.

'The Managerial Revolution'. (1945) and 'The Machiavellians'. (1949) Both written by James Burnham.

He predicted the rise of the neo-cons, he called them the Managerial Elite, and their defeat by the combining of the working people and the entrepreneurial classes to elect leaders who represented them and their interests. aka President Donald J Trump.

Burnham's predictions, from the 1940's, are accurate but I'd bet a pound to a penny you've never ever even heard of him let alone read him.

If you genuinely wish to discover how the US has arrived where it is and how President Donald J Trump is changing the trajectory then you will read these books.

President Donald J Trump will be returned in November in an astonishingly huge landslide.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 3:25:27 PM
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individual

Burnham's Managerial Elites included university educated: Politicians, Bureaucrats, Media, Legal Fraternity, Corporate management and Academia.

He said they would rule only in their own interests, talk about issues only important to them, in a language only they used and understood and would ignore the needs of everyone else until their rule became intolerable.

His prediction about working people and entrepeneurs followed from these thoughts.

He wrote a third book, 'The Suicide of the West'(1960's?) ... yep about immigration.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 3:39:59 PM
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I watched the Obama v. Trump documentary on SBS
the other night. I couldn't watch it all. It was
too depressing.

I remember what America used to stand for.
"Give me your poor, tired masses..." or words to
that effect at the base of the Statue of Liberty
a poem written by Emma Lazarus. Those words today
are meaningless in a world of black racism, xenophobia,
immigration bans and refugee crises. America's greatness
used to lie and live in its diversity.

Not any more.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 3:52:04 PM
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Hi Foxy,

I look at the ghastly American situation and think (weird for an old leftie like me): what would Morrison do ?

Pull the states' leaders together, and co-ordinate a policy, within the context of each state having to cope with its own unique situation, consulting with all other states and the central government to ensure co-ordination as smooth as possible.

Nothing's perfect. Of course, there are unforeseen problems and hitches. But so far, a death rate of 220-240 compares pretty favourably to 155,000 - or 10,000 in Australia for a similar population.

I really do fear that the US, the land of Jefferson and Lincoln and M. L. King, could be in for a disastrous decline. How will the rest of the world cope in a fundamentally new situation ? Of course, China and Russia will step in to fill the vacuum as much, and as soon, as they can. But perhaps new co-ordination amongst other countries will be desperately needed to keep China and Russia at bay.

Hopefully, we will all get over this period of stupidity which has pushed Trumpf into situations which are totally beyond him. Jesus, speaking of intellectually-challenged. Hopefully he will be the last fair-weather president. Even Truman had that slogan on his desk: "The buck stops here". It takes some doing to make Truman a brilliant statesman, but that might be Trumpf's greatest achievement.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 4:16:19 PM
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