What more can be said about the idiocy of the cultural vandals.
Why even give them oxygen?

This article does that unfortunately, and thus falls into a trap.

Dan

'intersectionality' …. "the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage".

Everything is the fault of white, privileged, male supremacists - particularly Australians of that ilk. Just ask the ABC. I've been confined to regional Australia for a few days, where the ABC is the only radio. I don't know how rural Australians survive with all that self-hatred and negativity. Negativity runs neck and neck with left-wing bias. On second thoughts, the negativity is the bigger danger.

Without the ABC, we wouldn't have all this intersectionality and negativity.

But, the ABC does do a good line in British drama (Australian very occasionally), and these whinging women should should be paying more attention to the fictionalised but truth-based treatment of young women and underaged girls by Romanian sex trafficking gangs in the series 'Baptiste'. But, the lefty 'ladies' would probably have difficulty speaking out against non-Anglo Saxon baddies. Racism!

I think this is one of the most interesting, thought-provoking and common sense pieces -especially around issues of sexuality and gender -I've read for a long time.

It deserves a thoughtful and reasoned response. I doubt I can write one just now. But congratulations.

Most of us would be glad to support people who may or may not be a lot like us. That means good fathers, caring and decent women, sensible people who are gay or straight, people with different nationalities and cultures, and many people from many walks of life.

This article gives me hope for a better national discussion. I wish we had this quality of debate in Australia more often.

A reasonable discussion of “intersectionality” and the harm inflicted on women; but either she has not read Marx or understood his concept of class, and how patriarchy is an element of exploitative capitalism. Marxism is opposed to identity politics.

> According to progressives, the diagnosis of all societal inequality and injustice is due solely to
>institutional and systematic sins of patriarchy, racism, homophobia, islamophobia and transphobia.

Can you name even one progressive who makes that claim? Because it looks very much like a strawman to me.

Hi Leslie,

Can you elaborate on your assertions that

" .... patriarchy is an element of exploitative capitalism. Marxism is opposed to identity politics."

One thing doesn't really follow from the other. I agree that patriarchy, like pretty much every other form of social and economic organisation, is a huge element in capitalism - and that Marxism is, for all sorts of other reasons, opposed to both capitalism AND identity politics. Perhaps you could through some light on all this ?

Joe

A couple of things. First, slowly dying of untreated terminal cancer can affect ones mental health! But particularly when the is a proven cure that's far less uncomfortable than current chemo.

And here I'm talking about tried, tested and proven over more than half a century, bismuth 213. In trials in day clinic settings, patients with terminal cancers walk in, had their treatment, and were clear inside a couple of hours. And without significant damage to healthy cells. minus the nausa and hair loss etc. Repeatable as often as necessary?

Includes, death sentence cancers like pancreatic cancer, stage four ovarian cancer, brain cancer and myeloid leukemia.

And no it's not complementary or alternative medicine but routinely ignored by big pharma and the highly lucrative "cancer industry"

As to the rest of your commentary, as a hetrosexual male not qualified to comment.
But couldn't have a sexual relationship with a gender reassigned in a blue fit.

Although I respect that it's their choice and their happiness/sexual fulfillment. But needs must, remain inside that gender specific community. And as far as that goes, I'm ok with that!


Take care and stay safe, and be sure to ask your, ontological specialist, why don't we have Bismuh 213? After all, it's a virtually free byproduct of MSR thorium! Or if you will, the cleanest, safest, cheapest, reliable, dispatchable energy in the world and carbon free to boot.

Or, is big pharma profits more important than (curable) global cancer death tolls that excceed two million P.A.!?

Cancer has mostly been an entirely unnecessary, rolling global pandemic, for all of my living memory, with possible viral implications!?
Alan B.

Joe
No logical connection was intended. And with your extensive background knowledge, you would know that they were separate assertions to help those who confuse Karl Marx with Groucho Marx (“Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others”).

I'm sorry but this is one hell of a tortuous piece. I'm sure the author would like to 'spit it out' but her BA with honours was in the way.

Her twitter feed reveals a Fox News and Trump defending evangelist of the small business variety which has become so predominate within conservative political ranks.

Plenty of push button phrases but really little to grasp.

“Completely disappearing from the progressives' radar are the problems that are too awkward for feminist's new bedfellows. Female Genital Mutilation, grooming gangs and child brides are all difficult issues to raise when your intersectional allies may accuse you of Islamophobia.”

Why are these mainly overseas issues ones that Australian feminists need to be engaged in? People who roll them out incessantly are by definition are likely to be race-baiting hardcore religious types.

“Since progressives control the bulk of cultural production in the western world, we are all becoming accustomed to the simplistic answers that are required for the complex questions that women face. I am a religious person, I understand the attraction of stable doctrine, but this is a secular state. A secular state is not an atheist state, it is supposed to be a state neutral to both religion and ideology. It is time we raised our hand and told the truth.”

Well one of the truths is that the right used the prospect of dramatic increases in domestic violence and incest as a result of 'inflicting' prolonged lock-downs due to the Covid virus. There was little discussion of why this would be such a threat but the direct implication was that men spending more time at home was deemed a risk to families.

Sorry, both sides tarred very much from the same brush.

Christaphobia goes hand in hand with pseudo science and regressives policies.

At this juncture of the week I thought of Intersectionality having multiple isms on a train.

But then, more crucially, does eating too much Curry cause RocketAss-m, bordering on Levitation, a real problem on a train?

Anyways, I thought I'd expose my newest CLEAN Limerick to the great unwashed of OLO.

Here tis:
______________________________________

I can’t get no, satisfaction

Life in COVID. No reaction

Well there’s booze. And there’s food

I’m a prude. Don’t be rude!

I can't get No. Just double negation :)
_____________________________________________

by Pete

With sincere ape-ologies to The Rolling Stones http//youtu.be/nrIPxlFzDi0

Here the song is - to the "Intersectionality" Limerick - all fixed - http://youtu.be/nrIPxlFzDi0

Avagudweekend

An excellent essay.

The not-grouping-all-into-one-label methodology applies equally to Muslims.

With muslims being a chronically grouped label by so many commenters on OLO.

Think how unhelpful it would be if the Media and State agencies (regarding tax, welfare, police, asio and politicians, etc)

grouped all Christians into one group!

OR all Secular people into one group!

A rule of thumb - anyone who blames the dreaded "marxists" for the decline of "traditional" values etc has not even begun to understand the complexity of human culture - especially in the now time of 2020.

Meanwhile I quite like the recent book by David Leser titled Women Men and the Whole Damn Thing which provides a very sane comprehensive overview/study of the politics of sexuality.

I also quite like the truth-telling work of the ever marvelous Susan Griffin especially her books Woman and Nature The Roaring Inside Her, plus Pornography and Silence.

And then there is the book Gyn/Ecology The Metaethics of Radical Feminism by the always outrageous myth-busting Mary Daly.

Hi Leslie,
My assertions are about intersectional Marxism which is a bastardised child of Marxism and postmodernism, mainly calling itself a form of critical theory these days. I do not accept the patriarchy is imbedded in capitalism because patriarchy is just the rule of fathers which predates all modern economic systems and in fact I don't see patriarchy as a bad thing. It exists side by side with matriarchy in my own family.
Cheers,
Chris

SteeleRedux my sins seem to be that I am right wing (new for me) a Christian and a small businessperson. I’m not sure what your point is about domestic violence, but I do agree that men are a risk to women.
Aidan. I am sure that if you give me any progressive journalist in this country I could give you their opinion on pretty much any issues based on the rules of intersectionalism
Daffy Duck I don’t recall mentioning traditional values and my argument is that a version of Marxism is mixed with postmodernism is dominating popular culture and repressing issues that put women and girls at risk, like rape in indigenous communities or solutions that involve policing or non cultural indoctrination
Thanks for your feedback everyone, I really appreciate it
Edie

Dear Eide,

I'm a little bemused about why you wouldn't think people taking a quick run through your twitter feed would decide you were anything else other than right wing.

Also as a fair chunk of my extended family is evangelical I know from long experience right wing sensibilities are most certainly part of the territory.

Having a right wing perspective is certainly not a sin in and of its self, nor is being a small 'c' christian. However combining the two, especially of the big 'C' toxic American version, is almost inevitably, most definitely, sinful.

As to being a small business person I have been one most of my working life. I do know how much an economic rationalist mindset has pervaded the demographic. It isn't pretty and it has served to strip dignity from the people we employ.

Nothing in what you have written has indicated you are not the person those three indicators would flag.

But for you to flag indigenous communities without acknowledging the deep and irreparable harm your faith, particularly the leadership within, in destroying countless thousands of lives of raped and buggered Australian children really holds you as just another hypocrite.

Look to the log in your own eye.

And it wouldn't go astray to acknowledge just how Marxist your Lord and Saviour was.

Edie Wyatt- Thanks for your article. Take care.

SteeleRedux I am not saying I am not now right wing, I am saying I was left wing my entire life. People like you sent me right. This is my story of changing political direction if you are interested http://grumpyfundie.com/uncategorized/new-world-order/
I doubt you are because you have accused me of rape. Most rape as you know occurs in the home and I myself was a victim of sexual abuse, so to attempt to layer me with sins of the catholic church based on my faith is without a doubt a vile and politically corrupt thing to do.
Jesus was my certainly not an adherent of a doctrine that he predated by almost two thousand years. You accuse me of sins of association and that is indeed a habit of the ideologically corrupted of both the right and left, and you actually make me a little sick. You are a man, obviously and take some pleasure in bullying women with your old-fashioned brand of left-wing ideology. I should not give you the dignity of a response, but I just couldn’t help myself

Dear Eide,

I've read your linked piece and happy to have a wider discussion on it if you felt you could get your nose back in joint. I think it is self serving and full of holes but if you wanted to defend it I'm good to go. Not that I feel it is all that germane to the topic but I now better understand the “new for me” comment. I had erroneously taken it as this is the first time you had been called right wing.

With respect this from you is utter rubbish;

“I doubt you are because you have accused me of rape. Most rape as you know occurs in the home and I myself was a victim of sexual abuse, so to attempt to layer me with sins of the catholic church based on my faith is without a doubt a vile and politically corrupt thing to do.”

I am sorry for what has happened to you but it shouldn't be something you defend your faith with. I don't know what denomination you are but the Catholic Church was not the only one named in the Royal Commission. The founder of Hillsong was called out as well for instance.

Nor should it permit you to make such an utterly inane statement as “ you have accused me of rape”. I did no such thing and it is typical misdirection on your part to have put it.

A sense of persecution is such a thick strand of fundamentalist Christianity and you are feeding it as per the requirement.

The Christian Church was indeed a broad one where the deep social justice teachings for instance of the Catholic faith was well respected by the Left. Liberation theology was also celebrated and was deemed to be in lockstep with Christ's teaching.

Cont..

Cont..

But it is your ilk, the right wing fundamentalists, the ones who so vigorously fought against same sex marriage and the Royal Commission into child sexual abuse, which have so effectively discredited the faith in the eyes of so many.

You are part of that cancer whether you accept it or not.

Now you are touting me as a bullier of women. If you go back through my post history of the last two days you will see there are at least 5 men who could also say I had bullied them. If you want to ask for more temperate language from me because you are a woman then fine. I would be happy to oblige. Just say it.

As to Jesus being a Marxist this was a pretty clear cut pronouncement form him; “If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.”

And what do you think Jesus would have thought of the children on Manus Island or the insanely high indigenous incarceration rates?

Anyway happy to respect your decision to pick up your bat and ball, but if you felt you could get over the victimhood so often displayed by the right then let me know.

Good on you, Edie,

Brilliant piece, much to absorb, and so relevant to current societal soul-searching for answers, and for balance.

A PhD in the making.

PS. Rudix sounds as though he has his own axe to grind. Nothing to do with your piece.
Out, damned Spot.

SteeleRedux
You are right I did stoop below my standards. Sexual abuse is extremely common and my experience is not unique, unusual or something that is relevant to my politics. I am not a robot and you pressed a soft spot by accusing me of the sins of men, I remain a feminist I'm afraid. If I was actually to engage with your argument on the same basis I would have to drag out all the sins of Marxism and I am afraid I don't have enough space. Were the bodies of the dead, the raped and the tortured in the name of Marx laid at your feet, I suspect it would not cloud your ideological purity. Thanks for your feedback though, and I am sorry I lost my cool. I don't need special treatment, I am not a adherent of intersectional politics. You are welcome to follow me on twitter and engage there if you like. Cheers

The people on Manus Island are there by their own choice. They could have flown here on tourist visas then sort asylum, if they were genuine?

Some already here have returned home for a visit with rallies. So things were not as bad as they claimed?

Those remaining, did not pass the UNH refugee test. Yet tried to sneek in via the back door and the inordinately expensive illegal people smuggler route. And have other options remaining, resettlement in the US or NZ. Or repatriation.

They are not prisoners!

If they want to come here?Then they need to go home and apply through legitimate channels and wait their turn like those 60 million or so already in refugee camps!
Alan B.

Steele Redux, I couldn’t help but jump in to respond to your comment about Christianity and the damage done to indigenous people, sexual abuse in particular.
I don’t know how much you know about indigenous culture but if you do know anything then you are ignoring the culturally ordained rape and abuse of aboriginal girls, some as young as 9, by their promised husbands and the men loaned these wives as favours or in return for services or goods.
Nothing done by a small percentage of priests can equal the sheer numbers of aboriginal women who had to accept this treatment as it was cultural. And still have to endure it today.
And Evie is correct, females are far more at risk from family and friends than they are from clergymen. Many studies have been done on both institutional and domestic sexual abuse and regard the institutional abuse, a large study done in the US claimed that abuse by educational staff was 100 times greater than church staff. And all studies have shown that abuse within the church was at no higher level than in the community.
Unfortunately the focus on destroying Christianity, via sexual abuse claims, has taken attention away from where it is needed most, the family home and extensions.

Dear Edie,

Thank you for your last response. I too will admit to being triggered by certain words. Things like 'progressives' being used in an all encompassing and derogatory fashion. I consider myself a progressive and I know it was progressives who got women the vote, it was progressives who saw that we enjoy universal health coverage in this country, and it was progressives who challenged and ended slavery in the Western world.

So this kind of hyperbole does push buttons;

“We are pretending we no longer see the reality of women and their vulnerability, for fear we may upset the pseudo religious "progressive" narrative of intersectionality.”

And perhaps my response to this from you; “Female Genital Mutilation, grooming gangs and child brides” is the result of them been flagged here monthly for many years by a certain poster, despite these blighting another country.

Intersectionality is a term with weight. That it is used and abused by some does not strip it of its utility just as in my opinion the actions of fundamentalist Christians shouldn't mean we throw the whole faith out.

You could have illustrated where you thought intersectionality had merit, in fact you kind of did, possibly without intending too. That would have given your article weight.

Anyway just as you can drag out the sins of Marxism the sins of capitalism are right now staring the world in the face. The most hyper-capitalistic country the US has to put so many of its citizens behind bars to cope with the deprivations their system has forced on the people that it has led the world in this metric for decades. The rampant inequality is the gasoline fueling the current protests and riots.

We both know your piece would not have passed the muster as an academic paper. Your opinion and your faith punched through in too many places. It is to those I am holding a blow torch.

As to joining you on twitter I closed my account years ago. Challenging opinions in clever little soundbites doesn't hold too much appeal.

Sorry Big Nana, post limit.

Good read.

While I don't get the stuff about modern thought promoted by the left as fitting into the style of marxism, probably because I can never understand/appreciate why such terms are ever mentioned to explain social trends, the article is great in terms of the issues it raises.

Thanks for all your positive feedback guys I appreciate it.
This will be my last response to SteeleRedux who stated "progressives who got women the vote... [and everything good]". Your problem is that you fall into the trap of making the term "progressive" backwards compatible and placing on it all the good things in history which will never "cut the mustard" academically. Because actually the women's movement started when women (mostly christian) began to meet collectively in the "temperance movement" in an attempt to protect themselves from physical violence and poverty when their partners were spending all their wages at the pub. Women got women the vote, in conjunction with good male power holders. Unions also fought against the equal pay for women. "Progressive" is the modern Marxist lie of the lefts march toward utopia. I use it deliberately and with academic accuracy.

Dear Saltpetre,

Oh I am an admitted axe grinder from way back and sometimes get burnt by the sparks I let fly.

However I am curious as to what you took away from Ms Wyatt's piece.

I personally found it quite agenda laden, albeit tidied up with semi-academic language, but perhaps the baggage you have flagged me apparently carrying may have skewered my perspective. So I would be interested in yours.

Dear Big Nana,

We have kick this around before and I'm not sure there will be much profit in doing so again. However I will note a social worker friend of mine has spoken of the endemic levels of child abuse in a very low socio-economic suburb not that far from where I live. Aside from that it is common knowledge the local bikie gang in the regional city near us has an initiation involving sleeping with a 15 year old or younger. Apparently it ties the members together as squealing means ones own criminal activity will be revealed. Disentangling drivers caused by inadequate law enforcement, lack of protective systems and deep disadvantage, from any cultural drivers is something I wager neither of us is qualified to do.

Dear Edie,

Thank you for your response. As per your stated preference I will talk about you rather than to you in future. Please be mindful that you have come to a forum where opinions are robustly tested. There are far more uniformly supportive places you could have posted it. Well done however for being prepared to dialogue with members of the forum, and I can hardly chastise you for not engaging with particular members as I do that routinely. I have reviewed my posts to you and the charges you directed at me were vastly exaggerated. That is something you could perhaps work on.

I am utterly sick of you and your ilk bleating on about an anti-Christian bias when we have a pentecostalist PM, over a third of the nation's children in private religious schools and a federally funded scheme costing hundreds of millions of dollars thrusting religious representatives into each and every school in the land.

It is the evil you bring in dismantling this once wonderful secular and egalitarian nation that is instrumental in creating the divisions and divides that I am calling out. Your lot continually lump notions of secularism and egalitarianism with the slur of Marxism and you have delivered just one more example of it with your piece.
Anyway good luck on your journey, I don't think it will be boring at least. I look forward to your next article.

I doubt the left will be ever marching to a marxist utopia.

And, academic terms like marxism are a wank.

It is a pity that debate cannot simply be about issues.

Political theory, in my opinion, is the biggest load of rubbish I had to endure at university.

I really don't get why anyone is labelled a marxist in 2020.

Are such terms ever used in the real world?

Do even the right wing extremists on Sky even use the term marxist?

Perhaps they do

Hi ChirsLewis,
Thanks for reading. Even the left and right spectrum are a legacy of political theorists that set up the systems that we live in today. The good and the evil of history is all about the good and bad ideas. 60 million dead in WW2 has complex origins but generally its from bad ideas enacted. Marxism now bears little relation to the ideas of Karl Marx but it is a system of ideas, cultural, political and philosophically that we group under the banner. It is not a wank but very useful in seeing the end from the beginning in political trends. The ideas modern progressives have didn't come out of the ground, they come from a history of thought and Marxism is one element of that thought.
Thanks again, Edie

"Intersectionality (from Google):
The interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage."
"Through an awareness of intersectionality, we can better acknowledge and ground the differences among us"

From the Author - Edie:
"Since progressives control the bulk of cultural production in the western world, we are all becoming accustomed to the simplistic answers that are required for the complex questions that women face"

By 'progressives', I very much doubt the author is singling-out 'the Left' (Labor in our Aus context), but rather she is aiming at groups like 'progressive feminists' or 'the rainbow movement', which tend to try to put everyone with any resemblance to them 'in the same basket'.
Now, that may be convenient, but it is not accurate, and it can, and does, act to the detriment of so many dragged under the all-embracing umbrella, by diverting attention away from the basic specific 'issues' confronting many of the individuals so 'cloaked'.
The 'generalization' clouds and conceals, rather than reveal.

Examples: Trans will surely have many different problems and concerns to macho or sweetie lesbians, or to hard-hitting feminists on the road to the boardroom, or to a woman with kids in a bad marriage who is regularly assaulted by her drunken good-for-nothing 'other half'.

Similarly, how do the concerns of a physically disabled person, male or female, really compare with those having dysphoria or body dysmorphia, or even the concerns of any adolescent going through puberty?

Now, I'm not trying to be sexist or racist, homophobic or any other 'ic' or 'ist', just trying to clarify why 'jumbo-bagging' any and all who may share only one facet of their personality, physicality or mentality in the 'glad-bag' convenience of 'we're all this, or that, or the other', is wrong, is detrimental and is in so many instances so very counterproductive to the quest to generate genuine equality of worth, wellbeing and opportunity.
TBC)

Continued:

BLM in Aus similarly fails to identify and proclaim the genuine issues and root foundations of disadvantage - and of 'genuine' discontent facing so many of the 'followers', the 'group' it purports to represent.
Instead, it attempts to focus attention on the most obvious 'symptoms' of dysfunction - and really does not represent or even act 'on behalf of' those in greatest need. Spurious, ill-advised and a self-serving facade perpetrated by and for 'townies' wanting an even better deal.

Of course I stand to be corrected in all this.
The world is indeed a complex place, even here in our Aus micro-commune, and getting more complex and demanding by the minute - and by the minutiae.

"What I didn't see coming, is that with the joining of the alphabet letters (LGBTIQ), lesbian feminists are being told that they are not worthy of their political ground if they refuse to accept a lover who is a trans-woman. To sexually preference a biological woman is a rejection of the alphabet narrative, and this would make one a TERF."

The only way to bring the system down on our heads was for minorities to unite and claim themselves as the majority.

You know I'm actually really glad you posted this article Edie,
I can laugh at the sillyness of the situation you've gotten into.

- You only have freedom of speech within a narrow band.
If you step off the reservation, you'll be eaten by your own.

I don't want to be mean, but this is what happens when you join a gang.

I find it all kind of ironic, because I'm on the other side.
You progressives have been so busy attacking everyone else that:

I can't complain about immigration without being called racist.
I can't whinge about the bs climate change without people calling for me to be locked up.
I can't have a free opinion on social media or other more liberal websites without getting censored because I don't parrot their established beliefs and narratives.

Because of the likes of your alphabet mob, my freedom of speech also now only exists in a narrow band, just like yours.

- Neither of us are going to get what we want in the end, do you understand that?

Honestly though I have to thank you for sticking up for 'Not all Men'.
You've got courage for doing that, (speaking the truth) in today's climate.
Good way to get yourself instantly sidelined.
- I'll take my hat off to you for that.

[Cont.]

"The really bad news is that if you deny seeing these things in the 'system', these sins live in you as well."

PAYDIRT

I've been trying to figure this one out all week.
That is - why there's more white people (Uni Students) at Black Lives Matters protests.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9208&page=0#308165

"They are so busy trying to prove to each other that they are not racist, the only way they can do it is follow the narrative that is set for them, and 'Hate White People'

That's the only way they can conclusively prove to their peers at University that they themselves ARE NOT racist."

This is how you did it.
This is what they've been taught, now it makes sense.

"The really bad news is that if you deny seeing these things in the 'system', these sins live in you as well."

'If you don't hate the white people then you're one of the evil white people.'

Let me tell you about your gang.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin said that.

You gave up the liberty of having your own opinions when you joined the gang.

"American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave"
Do you want to know who said that?
Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate states, slave owner, and wait for it:

A Democrat.

"I am getting a feeling that picking on lesbian feminists is a step too far."
I don't see how you can hold that opinion.
The alphabet people will pick on anyone who disagrees with them.
It seems like you're just getting a taste of your own alphabet medicine.

I'll tell you a secret.
Democrats exist to co-opt all minority groups so they can consolidate power for themselves.
They don't care about you.

Dear Chris Lewis,

Indeed. What is disappointing is what the author claims for her framing of the term Marxist she completely rejects for the term intersectionality.

Dear Saltpetre,

Are you really accepting that groups like 'progressive feminists' and 'the rainbow movement' control the “bulk of cultural production in the western world”?

Sorry mate but to claim this was the author's narrow definition of progressives is bunkum.

I will admit to laying it on a bit thick about Christians but it was done fairly clinically to illustrate that all encompassing derogatory use of the word progressives is just as objectionable. She immediately took it to heart displaying I thought a singular hypocrisy.

As for your case against intersectionality I'm afraid it was pretty hard to discern whether you were making a case for it or deriding it because your arguments didn't seem to address the definition you provided.

Your examples of grievances also failed to hit their target, indeed you seem to be calling for us to “better acknowledge and ground the differences among us" .

Perhaps the boogie man of so called intersectionality is more in the eye of the beholder, in this case a rather grumpy fundamentalist Christian.

A note in passing. The author claimed I was incorrect “Because actually the women's movement started when women (mostly christian) began to meet collectively in the "temperance movement" in an attempt to protect themselves from physical violence and poverty when their partners were spending all their wages at the pub.”

Unfortunately history really doesn't back her up. Suffrage bills put by leading politicians like John Hall and Robert Stout were being narrowly defeated in the NZ parliament in 1878 and 79, years before the Women’s Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) was even established in that country. That the Union assisted in garnering further support is not denied but is was hardly the instigator as Ms Wyatt would have us believe.