Where is Paul 1405? Where is Foxy? First one saying what a wonderful job Chinese Andrews has done in Victoria and the second one saying "Obey the Dear Leader" lol!
You could not make this up! We are on the edge of a cliff and about to crash down and are worrying about two 90 year olds dying?
The outcomes will be catastrophic and take years to pan out. I think we will see so many people ruined it will be a rerun of the Great Depression which was bad enough.
My real fear is that this will take years to stop as there is already talk of another new virus so permanent lock down? Lots of people would prefer to be Chinese slaves perhaps they should all be rounded up and sent one way to the gulags.

If all states had locked down properly from the beginning then there would be zero cases of community transmission in Australia. Now we have that idiot NSW premier refusing to lockdown as the virus spreads in Sydney. This is now going to be much more prolonged, have a greater detrimental effect on the economy than if states had locked down to start with. W.A. has had zero cases of community transmission for months. Australia was in a very good if not unique position to eradicate this entirely. And lets not forget NSW let the virus in to start with. Berejiklian needs to be sacked for incompetence and charged with wilful negligence. And now the answer coming from idiots is let the virus free. A poster on this forum even advocating what basically amounts to euthanasia for the old, disabled and infirm. Trump is happy because the virus is decreasing the social security bill. People in the middle ages handled the black plague better than we are handling this.

jimmy2shoes

'If all states had locked down properly from the beginning then there would be zero cases of community transmission in Australia.'

feel free to move to Victoria where they had Wuhan type lockdowns. Stay there for years if you want but don't try your idiotic experiments on the rest of us. Many of us have lived through many flu seasons without destroying our economies. I suspect strongly you are on the public purse.

THE REALITY OF ICU BED NUMBERS

1. Without COVID-19 cases isolation, traveller quarantine and social distancing COVID-19 cases will by-far-overwhelm the number of Intensive Care Unit (ICU) beds used for all types of diseases and accidents of people of ALL ages.

ICU wards are always heavily used/catered for - for all causes from women birth complications, infant illnesses, heart cases of 50y/old men, post cancer surgery, to increased normal flu cases (right now) in Winter.

Unlike severe flu viruses and other covids COVID-19 doesn't make most spreaders really ill. Without isolation-quarantine measures COVID-19 spreads quickly in a comparatively undetectable way.
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2. Source "Surge capacity of Australian intensive care units associated with COVID-19 admissions" published 30 March 2020 at http://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/surge-capacity-australian-intensive-care-units-associated-covid-19-admissions

This is the simple but deadly numbers game:

- There are 191 ICUs in Australia with available ICU beds = 2,378

Maximal estimate surge of ICU beds (an 191% increase) = 4,258

This surge would require:

- a 325% increase in senior doctors = 4092

and

- a 365% increase in ICU nurses = 42,720
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3. Source "IMPACT OF COVID-19: Theoretical modelling of how the health system can respond" at http://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/impact-of-covid-19-in-australia-ensuring-the-health-system-can-respond-summary-report.pdf

(i) modelling of an uncontrolled COVID-19 outbreak requires ICU beds = 35,000

(which would greatly exceed Australia’s expanded capacity of <7,000 ICU beds.)

(ii) With cases isolation and quarantine, demand is reduced to ICU beds = 17,000

(still well above expanded ICU bed capacity).

(iii) With isolation, quarantine and social distancing daily
demand is less than 5,000.
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CONCLUSION

So without cases isolation, quarantine and social distancing COVID-19 cases will OVERWHELM

the number of ICU beds used for all types of diseases and accidents of people of ALL ages.

Runner, look at what is happening in the US in some states where any lockdown was ignored. Their medical systems are being overwhelmed, in the UK there is strong evidence that many patients in nursing homes were effectively euthanised by administration of the drug Midazolam after catching Covid. The resources just arent there , as Plantagenet shows it will quickly overwhelm medical resources if it gets out of control. It is not a normal flu however much you think it to be so. What you need to realise is that this virus has will continue to mutate just like others . The next version may very well target middle aged grumpy old men who post on political forums.

Plantagenet what drugs are you on?
We have empty hospitals and medico's sitting around twiddling their thumbs. This nonsense is costing so many cancer patients to end up losing their lives next year. Plus so many people wanting "Elective" surgery will have their quality of life trashed because of all this stupidity.
I am sure we can get our ABC to make up scenes of crowded hospital wards and moan and groan and claim a brazilian people have died BUT! Let's see how many people have died this year compared to the previous ten years. In the UK the death rate is less and I will bet ours is too.
I always know when I am being lied to because you get strained and tired faces (All pretty bad acting usually, see Chinese Andrews) banging on about hard work and death. Truth is a couple of 90 year olds died but thousands are losing wages, jobs and eventually their houses. Andrews gives everybody including idiot medico's a big fat pay rise! The facts are avoided especially by the totally corrupt ABC and the idiot MSM.
You people make me sick, really really make me sick. I am not alone either.