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Atheism as self-murder : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 20/5/2020

Most people declare they are atheists because atheism solves the intellectual problem of believing in the existence of God as the old man in the sky.

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Only irrational unscientific people can deny that creation requires a Creator, laws require a law Maker, design requires a designer. The big bang and evolution are atrocious answers that lack any rationality or scientific basis. Atheist simply are small minded walking around with their eyes shut.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 6:32:54 PM
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I've read it.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 6:51:15 PM
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C'mon, Peter. Would you really believe your pregnant daughter if she told you she was a virgin? Do you really believe in a God that is three in one? Do you really believe that you are not dead when you are dead? Do you really believe that your wrongs or sins don't matter because you believe in mumbojumbo? C'mon, Peter, use your head for something more than a hat rack.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 7:31:39 PM
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Peter, you might even feel a sense of release if you stop trying to justify your silly superstition. There are thousands of religions which have many concepts of deity. Some of them such as Buddhism have concepts of a supernatural without a deity. It is unlikely that one is right, and the others are wrong. It is more likely that they all are constructions of the human mind which one can do without.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 9:40:13 PM
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Dear Peter,

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You wrote :

1. « The mistake that modern atheism has made is that it takes the objectification of God seriously »

If you mean they “take their desires for reality”, Peter, that sounds like a case of “the pot calling the kettle black”.
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2. « The God that atheists reject .. »

It’s impossible to reject something that does not exist, Peter. Just as it is impossible to drink water from an empty glass. What they reject is the god hypothesis, like the water hypothesis : that there really is water in the glass – but you just can’t see it, taste it, feel it, smell it, hear it, get wet with it, or even drink it !

They do not reject water in the empty glass. They reject the hypothesis that there is water in the glass. Nor do they reject God. They reject the God hypothesis.
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3. « … God language in church is but shorthand … »

I guess that’s why I couldn’t quite catch what they were talking about.
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4. « … a deeper reality … the hole in our lives that could have been filled with spiritual depth haunts us … »

Just like that empty glass. It sure is no substitute for water when you’re thirsty ! Gotta dig deeper, huh ?
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5. « Turning away from scientific truth is turning away from God and it results in self-murder »

The OED defines “murder” as : “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”. So “self-murder” must be a schizophrenic crime. Can’t be too many of them, Peter. I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you.
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6. « We have this idea that religion is about what we believe in. It is not. It is about the truth … »

WOW !
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7. « … we can once again re-imagine a future and escape the royal consciousness that denies death »

Well, she is getting on a bit in years, Peter, but do you really think she's immortal ?

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 21 May 2020 6:40:14 AM
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This is what I wonder about.

I've located a native shell gathering basket at a depth of about forty feet.

It is now projecting from mud rock and is in a petrified state. I put the age of this find at at least ten thousand years.

Reason for that estimate is that was the approximate time of a fifty foot sea level rise which took place over about one hundred years.

So this basket was once used by natives gathering shell fish prior to that, and at a location equivalent to the more ancient shore line, two kilometres further east of the current shore line.

Point highlighted with this event to me is obvious. At the time natves were using this basket, Jewish history was a non event.
Christianity was absolutely unheard of and natives of this continent had roamed its lands for sixty thousand years prior.

Religion therefore is strictly a cultural experience.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 21 May 2020 11:44:22 AM
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